WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:03.485 Colleen Coffman: we started seeing these very fast moving 00:00:03.584 --> 00:00:05.709 lights all over the property. 00:00:06.209 --> 00:00:07.829 They, and it was at night. 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:14.499 Um, these fast moving lights were anywhere from white to blue to purple, and they 00:00:14.499 --> 00:00:16.539 would, sometimes they would make noise. 00:00:16.539 --> 00:00:21.249 And the noise that they made was, um, it reminded me very much of 00:00:21.249 --> 00:00:24.879 like a 1980s cordless telephone. 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.689 You know, that real high pitch trilling noise. 00:00:29.259 --> 00:00:30.609 That's what it reminded me of. 00:00:31.536 --> 00:00:34.386 Intro: There is nothing wrong with your podcast streaming service. 00:00:34.866 --> 00:00:36.246 We now control your device. 00:00:36.906 --> 00:00:38.166 This is not a test. 00:00:38.286 --> 00:00:40.356 This is podcast of the paranormal. 00:00:40.716 --> 00:00:43.416 Close your curtains and stay away from your windows. 00:00:43.746 --> 00:00:44.826 Lock your doors. 00:00:44.916 --> 00:00:46.116 Turn off your lights. 00:00:46.416 --> 00:00:48.216 Get your snacks and drinks ready. 00:00:48.486 --> 00:00:50.346 Get to your basement or attic. 00:00:50.826 --> 00:00:52.986 The podcast is about to begin. 00:00:58.087 --> 00:00:59.404 Gab: Hello everyone. 00:00:59.704 --> 00:01:04.204 It is Gabrielle, and We have a really fun interview for you today. 00:01:04.529 --> 00:01:07.336 We are here with Colleen Coffman. 00:01:07.706 --> 00:01:13.016 She is an author, paranormal investigator and special effects makeup artist. 00:01:13.346 --> 00:01:17.376 Colleen, if you want to tell us a little bit about yourself and how you 00:01:17.376 --> 00:01:18.935 got into the field of the paranormal. 00:01:19.435 --> 00:01:21.415 Colleen Coffman: Absolutely I'd be happy to. 00:01:21.415 --> 00:01:22.685 Hi Gabrielle. 00:01:23.035 --> 00:01:27.025 Okay, so I have been in the paranormal my entire life. 00:01:27.025 --> 00:01:28.375 I was born that way. 00:01:28.675 --> 00:01:33.535 I probably forgotten more paranormal situations and experiences in my 00:01:33.535 --> 00:01:35.215 life than most people have had. 00:01:35.715 --> 00:01:38.625 So that's kind of where I'm at with the paranormal. 00:01:38.625 --> 00:01:43.275 I, um, have been into special effect makeup and practical effects and 00:01:43.275 --> 00:01:48.405 makeup and hair and wigs and all those kind of things since about, oh, the 00:01:48.405 --> 00:01:51.045 mid nineties, mid to late nineties. 00:01:51.045 --> 00:01:51.915 So a long time. 00:01:52.415 --> 00:01:53.405 Gab: Oh, that's really fun. 00:01:53.795 --> 00:01:54.738 Colleen Coffman: It has been a blast. 00:01:54.791 --> 00:01:56.981 uh, I've been in film and I've been in theater both. 00:01:56.981 --> 00:02:01.151 So I, when I got into theater, I kind of, uh, nicknamed her the, 00:02:01.631 --> 00:02:03.971 the evil twin sister to film, 00:02:06.831 --> 00:02:09.621 but I grew to love both of them very, very much. 00:02:09.621 --> 00:02:14.511 I have, uh, since retired or semi-retired in the last few years just 00:02:14.511 --> 00:02:19.167 because, well, to be honest about it, COVID was not very nice to me and it 00:02:19.167 --> 00:02:21.417 wasn't very nice to my career either. 00:02:22.722 --> 00:02:23.082 Gab: Yeah. 00:02:23.082 --> 00:02:26.059 I feel like that's an industry that really took a hit with the pandemic. 00:02:26.559 --> 00:02:27.114 Colleen Coffman: It sure did. 00:02:27.614 --> 00:02:28.214 Jody: I got lucky. 00:02:28.214 --> 00:02:31.361 I think I was able to, uh, sort of pivot and work from home. 00:02:31.861 --> 00:02:33.171 Colleen Coffman: That's fantastic. 00:02:33.291 --> 00:02:36.651 And that's kind of, I've, I've just changed gears and that's kind of why 00:02:36.651 --> 00:02:38.871 I focus more on the writing things. 00:02:38.871 --> 00:02:42.801 And I've been writing a lot and, uh, doing a lot of artwork. 00:02:42.801 --> 00:02:44.931 And I specialize also in airbrush. 00:02:45.201 --> 00:02:48.501 So I have been doing a lot of just artwork, you know, some 00:02:48.501 --> 00:02:51.701 airbrushing, this and that and the other thing, and that type of thing. 00:02:51.701 --> 00:02:55.308 And focusing on my paranormal investigations and, that's 00:02:55.308 --> 00:02:57.168 been me for the last few years. 00:02:57.348 --> 00:02:57.918 Gab: Yeah. 00:02:58.158 --> 00:03:01.202 Jody: So you're artwork , is that like pre-production stuff or is that, 00:03:01.202 --> 00:03:04.765 um, you know, completely separate from your professional career? 00:03:05.272 --> 00:03:08.567 Colleen Coffman: No, I have done some drawings, like storyboards and those 00:03:08.567 --> 00:03:13.300 types of things for film, but I just really, no, I just, for me and for other 00:03:13.300 --> 00:03:20.630 people, I do portraits and, sketches and, flash for tattoos and jackets and 00:03:20.630 --> 00:03:26.957 shirts and murals and, right now I have three magic, the gathering card 00:03:26.957 --> 00:03:29.597 boxes that I'm painting custom for 00:03:29.657 --> 00:03:29.887 Jody: Oh wow 00:03:29.887 --> 00:03:30.447 Colleen Coffman: Their owners. 00:03:30.447 --> 00:03:30.667 Jody: That's awesome. 00:03:30.967 --> 00:03:33.607 Colleen Coffman: That's a So just variety of stuff. 00:03:33.727 --> 00:03:33.957 Yep. 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:34.750 Gab: Yeah that is really cool. 00:03:35.700 --> 00:03:36.140 Jody: There you go. 00:03:36.208 --> 00:03:37.378 Gabrielle, your next tattoo. 00:03:37.378 --> 00:03:37.948 What do you think? 00:03:38.218 --> 00:03:39.178 You could commission something. 00:03:39.558 --> 00:03:40.302 Colleen Coffman: There you go. 00:03:40.837 --> 00:03:41.157 Absolutely. 00:03:42.857 --> 00:03:43.637 Jody: That's awesome. 00:03:43.987 --> 00:03:45.107 So tell us about your artwork. 00:03:45.187 --> 00:03:46.792 What's the meat and potatoes of the artwork? 00:03:46.828 --> 00:03:47.532 What do you focus on? 00:03:48.032 --> 00:03:49.562 Colleen Coffman: Boy, I'm all over the place. 00:03:49.562 --> 00:03:53.522 I get, uh, bored and mundane way too easily. 00:03:53.522 --> 00:03:57.242 So I have lots and lots of different skills that I hop 00:03:57.242 --> 00:03:58.772 around from one to the other. 00:03:59.072 --> 00:04:02.372 I have a, a project right now that I'm gonna be doing a bunch 00:04:02.372 --> 00:04:05.462 of sculpting, which is probably one of my favorite things to do. 00:04:05.912 --> 00:04:08.282 Um, and like I said, I've got some airbrushing that 00:04:08.282 --> 00:04:09.722 I'm focusing on this week. 00:04:10.022 --> 00:04:13.742 So, um, and then I have books that I'm working on, some of which 00:04:13.742 --> 00:04:18.452 include artwork that I'm working into it and some of which do not. 00:04:18.952 --> 00:04:20.992 So that's kind of where I'm at right now. 00:04:21.322 --> 00:04:22.522 Jody: Do you do full art books? 00:04:22.772 --> 00:04:25.982 Colleen Coffman: What I have been doing is like the, the, the book that 00:04:25.982 --> 00:04:29.822 I have published right now is called The Adventures of a Sketch Diary, and, 00:04:30.212 --> 00:04:33.212 and it's kind of a special thing if you'd like to hear the story of it. 00:04:33.212 --> 00:04:35.312 I will be happy to share. 00:04:35.692 --> 00:04:35.912 Gab: Yes. 00:04:36.072 --> 00:04:37.457 I would love to hear the story. 00:04:37.957 --> 00:04:40.987 Colleen Coffman: Okay, so this is kind of a crazy thing. 00:04:41.287 --> 00:04:44.967 Um, you know, things happen for a reason. 00:04:45.987 --> 00:04:50.327 So, I have, like I said before, I have a lot of different types of 00:04:50.327 --> 00:04:52.367 paranormal experiences in my life. 00:04:52.367 --> 00:04:53.717 It's just kind of who I am. 00:04:53.913 --> 00:04:58.873 It's how I've always been and about the year, oh, I don't know, I guess 00:04:58.873 --> 00:05:00.883 it was probably in the early nineties. 00:05:01.143 --> 00:05:04.993 My then husband and I were taking care of some property, in 00:05:04.993 --> 00:05:06.613 Missouri for an older couple. 00:05:06.613 --> 00:05:09.193 It was 54, 55 acres. 00:05:09.427 --> 00:05:13.417 There was some woodland and there was a pond and a couple of barns 00:05:13.417 --> 00:05:17.890 and, some pasture and some horses that they were, renting space to. 00:05:17.890 --> 00:05:20.710 And we would go up there and take care of that place while we started 00:05:20.710 --> 00:05:22.540 seeing some pretty crazy things. 00:05:22.870 --> 00:05:28.497 Uh, lights in the bushes and ginormous, what they call fairy circles or 00:05:28.497 --> 00:05:34.773 fairy rings, which is like big old mushrooms, in a big circle, and you know 00:05:34.773 --> 00:05:37.893 you're not supposed to step in those because the fairies will cart you away. 00:05:39.563 --> 00:05:43.218 We started seeing all these crazy lights and all these weird things on that 00:05:43.218 --> 00:05:46.008 property, and I started drawing them. 00:05:46.398 --> 00:05:51.288 My mom and dad got me this really wonderful little sketch pad, and I, at the 00:05:51.288 --> 00:05:55.638 time, I was traveling all over the United States doing all types of, airbrush face 00:05:55.638 --> 00:05:59.958 painting and special effect makeup and body painting and that type of thing. 00:06:00.255 --> 00:06:05.385 So I took that with me and I drew things that I saw and encountered along the way. 00:06:05.885 --> 00:06:11.305 Then in 2012, I ended up going through a separation and a divorce 00:06:11.305 --> 00:06:13.472 and oh several different moves. 00:06:13.712 --> 00:06:18.172 my storage unit was burglarized and I lost a whole bunch of stuff 00:06:18.172 --> 00:06:20.992 there, and it was an insane time. 00:06:20.992 --> 00:06:26.365 And during the course of all of that, I ended up missing my sketch diary. 00:06:26.455 --> 00:06:27.775 It just disappeared. 00:06:28.015 --> 00:06:35.005 So I assumed that it was burglarized or lost in one of the moves or something. 00:06:35.005 --> 00:06:36.775 I just, it was gone. 00:06:37.305 --> 00:06:40.455 that was in 2014 when I figured out that it was missing. 00:06:40.965 --> 00:06:43.245 Then fast forward to 2020. 00:06:43.745 --> 00:06:46.925 I was at the time working for the Kansas City Ballet, which 00:06:46.925 --> 00:06:49.445 was such a great experience. 00:06:49.445 --> 00:06:53.995 I love, love, love those people, but I was working for them and, uh, we 00:06:53.995 --> 00:07:00.145 had all been laid off because of COVID and , my boss went out of town to see her 00:07:00.145 --> 00:07:04.255 parents, so I went over to her house to keep an eye on her house and her pets. 00:07:04.255 --> 00:07:08.065 And I was sitting in the backyard one night watching all the fireflies, 00:07:08.395 --> 00:07:11.125 and the dogs, the dogs running around chasing these fireflies. 00:07:11.125 --> 00:07:12.025 It was so cool. 00:07:12.525 --> 00:07:15.315 And I was thinking at the time, I was like, God, I wish 00:07:15.315 --> 00:07:17.445 I had my sketch diary again. 00:07:17.685 --> 00:07:21.405 And I wish that, you know, I still had these experiences in the barn. 00:07:21.405 --> 00:07:24.552 I wish I could still go up there and watch all the pretty lights 00:07:24.552 --> 00:07:26.502 and, and I was just reminiscing. 00:07:26.846 --> 00:07:32.559 Well, the very next day I got a Facebook message from a young man who said, hi, 00:07:32.559 --> 00:07:36.469 I have your sketch diary, and I was just wondering if you'd like it back. 00:07:37.769 --> 00:07:37.889 Gab: Oh, wow. 00:07:37.929 --> 00:07:41.119 Colleen Coffman: 6 years after I noticed that it was gone. 00:07:41.299 --> 00:07:42.979 Jody: And what do you think about the timing of that too? 00:07:43.479 --> 00:07:47.579 Colleen Coffman: Um, I thought that it was, um, serendipitous. 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.156 Serendipity is one of my favorite words. 00:07:50.156 --> 00:07:52.616 And it was all over this situation. 00:07:53.116 --> 00:07:53.676 Gab: Yeah, 00:07:53.721 --> 00:07:53.991 Jody: Yeah. 00:07:53.991 --> 00:07:56.795 I would, I would use another word, synchronicity I think When you start 00:07:56.795 --> 00:07:59.415 to get in your head and you're like reminiscing and you're like going back 00:07:59.415 --> 00:08:03.395 to "oh really? I wish, I wish this would show back up. I wish I had my book again". 00:08:03.765 --> 00:08:06.295 And then suddenly someone contacts you, 00:08:06.795 --> 00:08:07.155 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:08:07.365 --> 00:08:08.265 And he did. 00:08:08.565 --> 00:08:14.565 So I went over and I picked it up and I cried and I hugged him and I thanked 00:08:14.565 --> 00:08:18.635 him and I brought it home, finished it out because of course there were sketches 00:08:18.635 --> 00:08:22.658 in there that were incomplete and I wanted to write, you know, some stuff 00:08:22.658 --> 00:08:26.498 to go with him, some descriptions and, storylines and those types of things. 00:08:26.498 --> 00:08:31.122 And so I did, and about the time I finished it, my publisher 00:08:31.122 --> 00:08:33.372 just kind of fell into my lap. 00:08:33.822 --> 00:08:37.576 They loved the book right off the bat and, they it for me. 00:08:37.576 --> 00:08:40.756 So that's kind of the story of the sketch diary. 00:08:41.256 --> 00:08:42.281 Gab: That's amazing. 00:08:42.576 --> 00:08:45.936 Jody: I feel like 2020, around that time was a very good time, 00:08:46.589 --> 00:08:48.809 for people getting into this sort of stuff, you know what I mean? 00:08:48.809 --> 00:08:51.479 Kind of like the weird and the artwork and all that because everybody's 00:08:51.479 --> 00:08:53.489 sitting at home and people needed a, 00:08:53.995 --> 00:08:54.038 Gab: Outlet. 00:08:54.058 --> 00:08:54.618 Jody: An outlet. 00:08:54.648 --> 00:08:54.881 Right. 00:08:55.141 --> 00:08:55.961 Colleen Coffman: Absolutely. 00:08:56.461 --> 00:08:59.191 Jody: So I have quite a few questions now with that little 00:08:59.191 --> 00:09:00.271 bit of an introduction there. 00:09:00.784 --> 00:09:01.215 Colleen Coffman: Sure. 00:09:01.545 --> 00:09:02.715 Shoot a wedding, man. 00:09:02.850 --> 00:09:05.010 Jody: first of all, the lights that you saw in the woods, 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:06.210 I wanna know about those. 00:09:06.740 --> 00:09:07.070 Colleen Coffman: Okay. 00:09:07.070 --> 00:09:12.100 So the very first time that we encountered the lights, it was such an insane time. 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:18.887 My ex-husband was a mechanic he was also a hoarder but he didn't 00:09:18.887 --> 00:09:22.967 hoard like knickknacks and paper bags and things like that. 00:09:22.967 --> 00:09:24.287 No, no, no, no, no, no. 00:09:24.287 --> 00:09:29.897 He hoarded full cars and transmissions, motor and things like that. 00:09:30.377 --> 00:09:34.937 Well, he had 50 some odd cars that he had at this barn. 00:09:34.937 --> 00:09:35.327 Right. 00:09:35.747 --> 00:09:38.567 And somebody started vandalizing them. 00:09:39.137 --> 00:09:39.377 Jody: Oh, wow. 00:09:39.492 --> 00:09:43.812 Colleen Coffman: So he and I would go out at various times of the night 00:09:43.812 --> 00:09:49.302 and the day and walk that humongous piece of property trying to catch 00:09:49.302 --> 00:09:51.432 who was vandalizing the cars. 00:09:51.932 --> 00:09:53.162 Which we finally did. 00:09:53.162 --> 00:09:54.242 We finally found them. 00:09:54.242 --> 00:09:57.212 We finally caught them, and they were a bunch of, uh, little boys. 00:09:57.212 --> 00:10:00.859 They were 11, 12 years old, and whose parents never took any 00:10:00.859 --> 00:10:02.419 responsibility, blah, blah, blah. 00:10:02.419 --> 00:10:03.399 That's another story. 00:10:03.585 --> 00:10:07.799 But while we were out walking one night and it was after dark, it 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.479 was just after dusk really. 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:11.619 we got to the very back fence line. 00:10:11.959 --> 00:10:16.699 We stopped for a break and there was a bush in the fence line had 00:10:16.699 --> 00:10:17.989 grown up through the fence line. 00:10:17.989 --> 00:10:19.210 It was a barbed wire fence. 00:10:19.677 --> 00:10:25.355 And this bush, I noticed while we were standing there had what looked to me like. 00:10:25.518 --> 00:10:32.409 And it was about the same size too, has glowing cigar cherries inside of the bush. 00:10:32.909 --> 00:10:33.142 Jody: Hmm. 00:10:33.142 --> 00:10:35.542 Colleen Coffman: And so we get to lookin' and, and the more 00:10:35.542 --> 00:10:36.922 we looked, the more we found. 00:10:37.422 --> 00:10:40.182 We couldn't figure out what they were. 00:10:40.212 --> 00:10:43.212 There was no physical attachment. 00:10:43.212 --> 00:10:50.805 There was no berry, there was no fungus, there was no, node on the plant itself. 00:10:50.955 --> 00:10:54.462 We couldn't figure out exactly what was glowing. 00:10:54.825 --> 00:10:57.855 So we took notes and the next day when we came up during the 00:10:57.855 --> 00:11:00.389 daylight, we beelined to that bush, 00:11:00.569 --> 00:11:00.779 Jody: mm-hmm 00:11:00.839 --> 00:11:04.089 Colleen Coffman: to see if we could figure out what it was that we were looking at. 00:11:04.339 --> 00:11:09.749 On our way back there, we found the biggest fairy ring that 00:11:09.749 --> 00:11:11.069 I have ever seen in my life. 00:11:11.069 --> 00:11:12.929 That thing was probably 50 feet of across. 00:11:12.929 --> 00:11:13.649 It was huge. 00:11:14.309 --> 00:11:18.749 And some of the, some of the, uh, mushrooms in that fairy ring were 00:11:18.749 --> 00:11:20.249 probably bigger than a dinner plate. 00:11:20.249 --> 00:11:21.239 They were humongous. 00:11:21.389 --> 00:11:24.769 But we got to the bush and we found nothing. 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:25.909 There was nothing. 00:11:25.939 --> 00:11:28.579 There was no fungus, there were no berries, there were 00:11:28.579 --> 00:11:30.889 no bugs, there was nothing. 00:11:30.949 --> 00:11:34.789 And they were just, like I said, about the size of a cigar cherry 00:11:34.789 --> 00:11:36.079 and about that same color. 00:11:36.079 --> 00:11:37.519 They were kind of an orange color. 00:11:37.819 --> 00:11:39.899 So that was our first experience. 00:11:40.384 --> 00:11:41.974 Jody: And you saw these during the day, 00:11:42.474 --> 00:11:43.809 Colleen Coffman: No, we saw these at night. 00:11:43.849 --> 00:11:44.409 These were at 00:11:44.409 --> 00:11:44.789 Jody: night. 00:11:44.849 --> 00:11:46.364 Gabrielle's across from you shaking her head. 00:11:46.364 --> 00:11:48.764 She's like, you need to pay attention and listen. 00:11:52.493 --> 00:11:54.923 Colleen Coffman: We did have a lot of experiences up there during 00:11:54.923 --> 00:11:58.373 the day, but most of the lights that we saw were dusk and after. 00:11:58.478 --> 00:12:01.328 Jody: Yeah, no, that's why I was asking 'cause we, we have, uh, 00:12:01.328 --> 00:12:05.588 experienced something similar and obviously it's always at night 'cause 00:12:05.618 --> 00:12:05.708 Gab: mm-hmm. 00:12:05.948 --> 00:12:07.024 Jody: They self illuminate. 00:12:07.294 --> 00:12:08.644 Would you, would you say that's what it was? 00:12:08.644 --> 00:12:09.514 They self-illuminate? 00:12:11.302 --> 00:12:12.954 Now does the light spread? 00:12:13.165 --> 00:12:13.351 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:12:13.441 --> 00:12:14.044 Jody: Through the plant? 00:12:14.351 --> 00:12:15.461 Colleen Coffman: I don't know. 00:12:15.461 --> 00:12:19.331 I don't know if it was something to do with a plant, you know, 00:12:19.331 --> 00:12:24.731 lighting up or if it was individual presences inside of the bush. 00:12:25.061 --> 00:12:26.201 I do not know. 00:12:26.201 --> 00:12:28.661 That was the first and only time that I've ever seen that. 00:12:28.911 --> 00:12:29.601 Gab: Oh, wow. 00:12:30.106 --> 00:12:30.371 Jody: Yeah. 00:12:30.371 --> 00:12:31.151 That's interesting. 00:12:31.361 --> 00:12:32.341 That's super interesting to me. 00:12:32.946 --> 00:12:34.326 Gab: Like right place, right time 00:12:34.652 --> 00:12:37.377 Colleen Coffman: then we started seeing these very fast moving 00:12:37.477 --> 00:12:39.602 lights all over the property. 00:12:40.102 --> 00:12:41.722 They, and it was at night. 00:12:41.932 --> 00:12:48.392 Um, these fast moving lights were anywhere from white to blue to purple, and they 00:12:48.392 --> 00:12:50.432 would, sometimes they would make noise. 00:12:50.432 --> 00:12:55.142 And the noise that they made was, um, it reminded me very much of 00:12:55.142 --> 00:12:58.772 like a 1980s cordless telephone. 00:12:58.772 --> 00:13:01.582 You know, that real high pitch trilling noise. 00:13:03.152 --> 00:13:04.502 That's what it reminded me of. 00:13:05.002 --> 00:13:05.242 Jody: Wow. 00:13:05.242 --> 00:13:06.339 That's super interesting. 00:13:06.455 --> 00:13:06.682 Gab: Yeah, 00:13:07.185 --> 00:13:09.775 Jody: Especially the sound, generally, when people talk 00:13:09.775 --> 00:13:11.005 about these lights in the woods. 00:13:11.335 --> 00:13:13.302 There's not always a sound associated with them. 00:13:13.612 --> 00:13:16.012 Sometimes people get interference on recording equipment, 00:13:16.012 --> 00:13:16.462 but the fact that you are 00:13:16.462 --> 00:13:16.792 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:13:16.822 --> 00:13:18.262 Jody: hearing something that's a little different. 00:13:18.762 --> 00:13:19.122 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:13:19.122 --> 00:13:21.252 And it wasn't just me and my ex either. 00:13:21.252 --> 00:13:27.162 It was my kids and people we would take up there who had absolutely no paranormal 00:13:27.162 --> 00:13:32.142 experience in their lives, and they would experience things in that general 00:13:32.142 --> 00:13:36.912 area, the same thing they would, and they didn't often see the colors of the lights. 00:13:37.092 --> 00:13:41.512 Usually the people who weren't used to seeing things like that, they 00:13:41.512 --> 00:13:45.682 were white lights and they were moving fast, but they also heard noises. 00:13:45.682 --> 00:13:49.492 And there was the blatting of like a sheep or a goat also. 00:13:49.492 --> 00:13:50.362 Jody: Oh, that's weird. 00:13:50.862 --> 00:13:51.005 is 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:53.960 Colleen Coffman: And the longer we stayed up there, and the more, the 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:58.100 more into it we got the more variety. 00:13:58.100 --> 00:13:59.510 We also noticed 00:14:00.010 --> 00:14:01.000 Gab: Oh, that's interesting. 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:02.370 Like different colored lights. 00:14:02.870 --> 00:14:06.810 Colleen Coffman: different colored lights, uh, different sounds, different pitches 00:14:06.940 --> 00:14:07.300 Gab: oh wow 00:14:07.310 --> 00:14:07.930 Colleen Coffman: in the sounds. 00:14:08.400 --> 00:14:09.350 It was cool. 00:14:09.410 --> 00:14:09.800 Gab: Yeah. 00:14:09.800 --> 00:14:10.769 That is really cool. 00:14:10.850 --> 00:14:13.484 Jody: Now I have to ask, were the lights ever accompanied 00:14:13.484 --> 00:14:16.154 by any sort of shadow entity? 00:14:16.654 --> 00:14:22.444 Colleen Coffman: The only shadow entity that I experienced up there was kind of at 00:14:22.444 --> 00:14:25.264 the end of our experience with the barn. 00:14:25.534 --> 00:14:31.384 And that was, my, my ex happened to leave me, we had a place up there that we had 00:14:31.384 --> 00:14:36.634 a fire pit, so I was tending to the fire and he had to go over to the other barn, 00:14:36.634 --> 00:14:39.034 which was a hundred yards away or more. 00:14:39.514 --> 00:14:43.054 And so he took the car and went over there and I was by myself. 00:14:43.054 --> 00:14:47.444 And there was definitely a shadow figure around us. 00:14:47.444 --> 00:14:53.600 You could just, it was, it was very uncomfortable and, uh, very shadowy. 00:14:53.870 --> 00:14:57.560 And I was really glad whenever he came back, we put the fire out and went home. 00:14:57.894 --> 00:15:01.413 Jody: Would you say it was pacing around you or sort of following you 00:15:01.875 --> 00:15:04.095 , Colleen Coffman: It was more like pacing back and forth 00:15:04.095 --> 00:15:06.435 against one of the fence lines. 00:15:06.435 --> 00:15:06.795 Jody: Hmm. 00:15:07.295 --> 00:15:08.795 Colleen Coffman: But it was stalking me. 00:15:08.795 --> 00:15:12.095 It was definitely aimed at me with bad intent. 00:15:12.495 --> 00:15:13.603 Jody: So what makes you say that? 00:15:13.855 --> 00:15:14.335 Is there 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:17.849 anything descriptive you could come up with that makes you feel that, uh, it was 00:15:17.849 --> 00:15:21.787 like negative that it, it wanted something from you or that it was after you? 00:15:21.947 --> 00:15:25.209 Colleen Coffman: Oh, yeah, it was totally the fear that I was feeling, you 00:15:25.209 --> 00:15:30.669 know, it was the, the goosebumps went up and, uh, I started feeling really, 00:15:30.939 --> 00:15:36.219 really uncomfortable and, uh, the fear started looming and I could feel it in 00:15:36.219 --> 00:15:38.439 my spine, like in the root of my spine. 00:15:38.739 --> 00:15:40.539 It was not comfortable. 00:15:40.779 --> 00:15:44.469 That's not the way the entities up there typically made you feel. 00:15:44.619 --> 00:15:48.159 They made you feel like a little kid wanting to go, you know, frolic 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.389 through the flowers with them. 00:15:49.539 --> 00:15:50.529 Jody: Mm. Okay. 00:15:50.529 --> 00:15:50.679 Yeah. 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.389 So it's a difference between what you've experienced that that made 00:15:53.469 --> 00:15:53.559 Colleen Coffman: absolutely 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:54.119 Jody: you feel that way 00:15:54.369 --> 00:15:54.659 Yeah. 00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:55.409 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:15:55.709 --> 00:15:57.059 Jody: That's, that's super interesting. 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.929 Did it feel, did it feel like it was trying to, force you to leave? 00:16:01.929 --> 00:16:04.339 Like, it it wanted you to leave and it was being very, 00:16:04.529 --> 00:16:06.959 Colleen Coffman: Yep, It was definitely, foreboding, 00:16:07.319 --> 00:16:08.429 was the right word. 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:09.219 Jody: Yeah. 00:16:09.219 --> 00:16:11.469 I mean, we've had, we've had a similar experience. 00:16:11.499 --> 00:16:16.649 Um, we had a shadow entity that we, uh, came across, and all three of 00:16:16.649 --> 00:16:19.589 us that witnessed it immediately got the feeling of, "Hey, we need 00:16:19.589 --> 00:16:22.779 to go you know, like right now", we all got in our cars and left. 00:16:22.779 --> 00:16:23.489 And um, 00:16:23.994 --> 00:16:24.699 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:16:24.969 --> 00:16:25.179 Jody: Yeah. 00:16:25.179 --> 00:16:26.199 It kind of sounds like that. 00:16:26.199 --> 00:16:30.159 Colleen Coffman: So shadow entities intrigue me because I think that 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:31.942 there's many different types, 00:16:31.969 --> 00:16:32.412 Gab: Yeah, 00:16:32.739 --> 00:16:38.319 Colleen Coffman: and I really feel like they are the eaters of emotion. 00:16:38.709 --> 00:16:43.869 So getting you to be afraid is actually their breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 00:16:44.369 --> 00:16:45.239 Jody: That is an interesting 00:16:45.239 --> 00:16:45.279 Gab: idea. 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:45.689 Yeah. 00:16:45.719 --> 00:16:48.284 I think there could be some that would feed on your emotion. 00:16:48.344 --> 00:16:48.764 Yeah. 00:16:49.264 --> 00:16:52.414 Depending on where they've been created from. 00:16:52.914 --> 00:16:53.214 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:16:53.484 --> 00:16:54.354 Absolutely. 00:16:54.654 --> 00:16:56.394 So that's kind of my thought on that. 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.620 But you know, there are a lot of entities and energies out there that 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:04.517 encourage you to be afraid or angry or jealous or, you know, all the negative 00:17:04.657 --> 00:17:07.837 emotions because again, that's what they have for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 00:17:08.337 --> 00:17:10.437 Shadow figures are only one of those types, 00:17:10.832 --> 00:17:11.072 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:11.572 --> 00:17:14.662 Colleen Coffman: and I also feel like shadow figures are, um, they 00:17:14.662 --> 00:17:18.442 come in in different varieties that there's, there's more than one kind 00:17:18.442 --> 00:17:22.662 out there, although I just really don't have a clue what those are. 00:17:23.219 --> 00:17:24.239 Gab: Yeah, I agree. 00:17:24.299 --> 00:17:28.044 There's definitely a number of types of shadow entities. 00:17:28.984 --> 00:17:29.254 Jody: Yeah, 00:17:29.254 --> 00:17:32.844 I mean, ours, again, I didn't immediately 00:17:33.344 --> 00:17:33.764 Colleen Coffman: Time to go. 00:17:34.274 --> 00:17:35.774 Jody: Time to go after that. 00:17:35.804 --> 00:17:39.490 You know, we haven't encountered it again we still feel it's presence and 00:17:39.490 --> 00:17:42.030 we feel like , you know, when it's time to go, it's gonna let us know 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:45.777 but I think there's a lot more going on in that spot than just that one entity. 00:17:46.027 --> 00:17:46.297 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:46.307 --> 00:17:50.057 Colleen Coffman: I've been to places like that before where there is a variety. 00:17:50.457 --> 00:17:55.107 My biggest experience with that type of variety would've been at the haunted. 00:17:55.137 --> 00:17:57.537 I, I worked at commercial haunted houses, 00:17:58.127 --> 00:18:01.272 so you come pay us and we will scare you. 00:18:01.272 --> 00:18:02.412 That's what we did. 00:18:02.662 --> 00:18:03.742 And it was a blast. 00:18:03.742 --> 00:18:05.692 I loved, loved, loved work in there. 00:18:05.722 --> 00:18:10.282 But something to keep in mind is that, uh, haunted houses, commercial, haunted 00:18:10.282 --> 00:18:12.232 houses are actually really very haunted. 00:18:12.607 --> 00:18:13.177 Gab: Oh yeah. 00:18:13.677 --> 00:18:13.967 Yeah. 00:18:13.987 --> 00:18:17.462 And I feel too, like you're getting into that same idea where you're like 00:18:17.822 --> 00:18:20.502 feeding it, that fear, that anxiety, 00:18:20.572 --> 00:18:21.112 Colleen Coffman: Yes 00:18:21.162 --> 00:18:24.242 Gab: and of course, you know, any kind of thought form that's gonna 00:18:24.242 --> 00:18:25.442 be created there would want to feed 00:18:25.692 --> 00:18:26.122 Colleen Coffman: yes. 00:18:26.272 --> 00:18:26.632 Gab: on that. 00:18:27.132 --> 00:18:30.552 Colleen Coffman: There were so many different types of thought forms there. 00:18:30.822 --> 00:18:32.502 So many different types. 00:18:32.502 --> 00:18:35.652 And of course, you know, people would come through there and they would work there. 00:18:35.652 --> 00:18:39.012 And not everybody who worked there was a nice person. 00:18:39.012 --> 00:18:43.302 And so they would, uh, ritualize some of that energy as well. 00:18:43.490 --> 00:18:43.767 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:18:44.127 --> 00:18:45.067 Gab: Yes, definitely. 00:18:45.567 --> 00:18:49.242 Jody: Now, have you ever investigated a, a haunted house? 00:18:49.742 --> 00:18:51.952 Colleen Coffman: A lot of them, yes. 00:18:51.952 --> 00:18:52.732 A lot of them. 00:18:52.982 --> 00:18:57.092 Jody: I should specify not a, an actual haunted house, but like 00:18:57.092 --> 00:19:00.542 a commercial property where you run a seasonal haunted house. 00:19:00.552 --> 00:19:02.532 'Cause that's something we've been interested in a, 00:19:02.592 --> 00:19:03.062 Colleen Coffman: Oh sure. 00:19:03.142 --> 00:19:03.352 Yep. 00:19:03.392 --> 00:19:04.362 Jody: You know, for a while now 00:19:04.462 --> 00:19:05.782 'cause we have quite a few in our area. 00:19:05.932 --> 00:19:06.232 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:06.802 --> 00:19:10.942 Jody: And it would just be neat to go and investigate these places and see 00:19:10.942 --> 00:19:12.622 what people kind of left behind there. 00:19:12.622 --> 00:19:13.432 See what they created. 00:19:13.932 --> 00:19:17.382 Colleen Coffman: So let me give you a little, a little bit of something to 00:19:17.382 --> 00:19:24.408 work with there, because I, I worked in those places from about 2001 to 2018. 00:19:24.658 --> 00:19:29.248 So I had a very, very decent handle on what was going on 00:19:29.248 --> 00:19:30.658 in those particular buildings. 00:19:30.808 --> 00:19:32.578 And they are the biggest haunts. 00:19:32.578 --> 00:19:35.578 Some of them are some of the oldest and biggest haunts in the world. 00:19:36.098 --> 00:19:40.488 But if you guys wanna go and investigate that type of energy going on, I 00:19:40.488 --> 00:19:45.138 would strongly suggest that you do it during the day, during their season. 00:19:45.138 --> 00:19:48.528 And the closer to Halloween, you can get the better because that 00:19:48.528 --> 00:19:50.238 energy has really ramped up. 00:19:50.568 --> 00:19:50.858 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:51.459 --> 00:19:52.288 Yeah, definitely. 00:19:52.651 --> 00:19:54.751 Colleen Coffman: I know that the places that I was working, 00:19:54.751 --> 00:19:56.311 I was setting them up with. 00:19:56.361 --> 00:19:59.271 , And I don't know if they ever did this or not, because I haven't been 00:19:59.271 --> 00:20:03.381 back there, but, I was setting them up with escape rooms that 00:20:03.381 --> 00:20:06.051 were, uh, paranormal investigations. 00:20:06.551 --> 00:20:07.331 Jody: Oh, wow. 00:20:07.464 --> 00:20:07.641 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:07.641 --> 00:20:08.221 That's really interesting. 00:20:08.391 --> 00:20:09.581 Jody: That's an interesting idea. 00:20:09.581 --> 00:20:09.971 Yeah, 00:20:10.481 --> 00:20:13.661 Colleen Coffman: It was really a lot of fun and I had a ball doing it, but 00:20:13.661 --> 00:20:20.791 it was, um, it was also, you know, I hesitate to charge people money to 00:20:20.851 --> 00:20:27.064 come and see ghosts because in my opinion, that's like kind of mean. 00:20:27.344 --> 00:20:30.574 Jody: We went a place that made us feel like that too, and they were talking 00:20:30.574 --> 00:20:33.264 about like, oh, don't say certain things to this ghost and don't say 00:20:33.264 --> 00:20:36.234 certain things to that ghost, or this ghost will shut the whole place down. 00:20:36.234 --> 00:20:37.824 Or we don't want our ghosts to leave. 00:20:37.824 --> 00:20:41.004 And it kind of feels like you're keeping a paranormal zoo. 00:20:41.214 --> 00:20:41.514 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:41.580 --> 00:20:41.660 Colleen Coffman: I'm sorry. 00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:45.072 That's kind of a slavery situation, isn't it? 00:20:45.144 --> 00:20:46.104 Jody: That's what it seems like. 00:20:46.104 --> 00:20:52.164 But a again, like you don't know for sure if these are actual, entities hanging 00:20:52.164 --> 00:20:53.994 around there if it's something left over. 00:20:53.994 --> 00:20:54.596 You know what I mean? 00:20:55.090 --> 00:20:57.594 But just the fact that they want to keep them there, it 00:20:57.759 --> 00:20:58.149 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:58.149 --> 00:21:01.719 And they had a rule like, don't do anything that could help them cross over. 00:21:01.929 --> 00:21:03.039 They like it here. 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.099 Yeah. 00:21:03.099 --> 00:21:03.349 Jody: Yeah. 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:04.469 Gab: Like it was, yeah. 00:21:04.469 --> 00:21:05.214 It was odd. 00:21:05.714 --> 00:21:08.684 Colleen Coffman: You know, I wouldn't want their karma, I'll tell you that right now. 00:21:08.984 --> 00:21:10.544 My sister put it very well. 00:21:10.544 --> 00:21:14.934 We were doing an investigation, several years back and the lady had us come 00:21:14.934 --> 00:21:16.837 back out to do a clearing as well. 00:21:17.017 --> 00:21:18.757 So we did the investigation. 00:21:18.847 --> 00:21:22.090 We got a lot of really great stuff out of that investigation. 00:21:22.284 --> 00:21:26.794 And then when we went back a couple months later, she wanted us to clear them, 00:21:26.824 --> 00:21:31.264 except she only wanted us to clear the bad ones, but she wanted to keep the good ones 00:21:31.764 --> 00:21:32.369 Gab: Oh my goodness. 00:21:33.114 --> 00:21:36.384 Colleen Coffman: right and my sis well, she was charging people to tour it. 00:21:36.884 --> 00:21:43.144 And so my sister look at her and she said, honey, ghosts are not pets. 00:21:43.644 --> 00:21:43.974 Jody: Right. 00:21:44.474 --> 00:21:46.664 Colleen Coffman: And it's been our tagline pretty much ever since. 00:21:47.176 --> 00:21:48.279 Gab: Yeah, it's true. 00:21:48.779 --> 00:21:49.239 Colleen Coffman: It is. 00:21:49.739 --> 00:21:52.109 Jody: I get a kick outta the people that are, you know, they think that 00:21:52.109 --> 00:21:55.299 they're being haunted by, family members or passed close friends. 00:21:55.572 --> 00:21:59.562 Colleen Coffman: Oh, well now I have absolutely had experience with loved 00:21:59.562 --> 00:22:04.842 ones who have crossed over, one of which was haunting my son's house. 00:22:05.082 --> 00:22:05.622 Jody: Oh, wow. 00:22:06.042 --> 00:22:09.102 And not saying I don't, I don't believe that, but when people are like, Hey, I 00:22:09.102 --> 00:22:13.692 think, you know, aunt Margaret is here and, you know, I, I kind of want her gone. 00:22:13.742 --> 00:22:16.442 Well, did did you have a good relationship with Aunt Margaret? 00:22:16.472 --> 00:22:16.862 Oh, yeah. 00:22:16.862 --> 00:22:17.852 She, we were best friends. 00:22:17.972 --> 00:22:18.997 Well, then why do you want her gone? 00:22:19.047 --> 00:22:20.752 Colleen Coffman: Then why do you want her gone? 00:22:20.757 --> 00:22:22.822 Because she's probably here to help you. 00:22:23.322 --> 00:22:23.622 Jody: Right? 00:22:23.727 --> 00:22:23.937 Gab: Yeah. 00:22:24.437 --> 00:22:28.177 Colleen Coffman: Okay, so let's, let's talk about that for just a second because 00:22:28.177 --> 00:22:33.844 in, in my experience and in my beliefs, and of course I'm open to change and 00:22:33.844 --> 00:22:39.044 learning, but in my experience with ghosts and spirits, spirits are the ones 00:22:39.104 --> 00:22:45.044 who pass and then go on to the next, onto the next lesson or the next plane, 00:22:45.044 --> 00:22:46.994 or whatever it is we do when we pass. 00:22:47.494 --> 00:22:52.174 Ghosts are the ones who don't want to go on, and they all have their 00:22:52.174 --> 00:22:56.670 own reasons for that, and they stick around, and the more they stick 00:22:56.670 --> 00:23:01.627 around on this plane, the angrier they get and the more forgetful they get. 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:03.490 Jody: Yeah, I've heard that theory before. 00:23:03.490 --> 00:23:08.064 It's interesting because, another theory goes that people are, when 00:23:08.064 --> 00:23:13.001 they pass on, a portion of them moves on and something stays behind, 00:23:13.001 --> 00:23:14.261 a fraction of them stays behind, 00:23:14.564 --> 00:23:17.624 Colleen Coffman: Well, and then you have also like the residual 00:23:17.624 --> 00:23:23.144 hauntings, and that's like when something was so emotionally moving 00:23:23.564 --> 00:23:27.074 and strong that that emotion sticks. 00:23:27.624 --> 00:23:27.964 Jody: Yeah. 00:23:28.249 --> 00:23:31.909 Colleen Coffman: it's not necessarily a personality, it's an experience. 00:23:32.415 --> 00:23:33.219 Jody: So I have a question. 00:23:33.411 --> 00:23:37.893 Going back to your, your fairy lights, uh, is that what we're calling them? 00:23:37.923 --> 00:23:38.283 I don't know. 00:23:38.283 --> 00:23:39.303 I don't know why I called them that. 00:23:39.303 --> 00:23:40.173 But the lights in the woods, 00:23:40.173 --> 00:23:40.473 right? 00:23:40.818 --> 00:23:41.118 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:23:41.118 --> 00:23:41.568 Yes. 00:23:42.773 --> 00:23:46.433 Jody: was there a running body of water in close proximity? 00:23:46.933 --> 00:23:50.233 Colleen Coffman: There was no running body of water, but there was a 00:23:50.233 --> 00:23:52.683 small pond that was usually full. 00:23:52.683 --> 00:23:56.293 I think I only saw it low maybe once in all the years we were there. 00:23:56.538 --> 00:23:56.748 Jody: Yeah. 00:23:56.748 --> 00:23:58.038 I mean, that's water that counts. 00:23:58.538 --> 00:23:58.748 Huh? 00:23:59.048 --> 00:24:00.128 How about geographically? 00:24:00.128 --> 00:24:01.418 Anything interesting in the area? 00:24:01.478 --> 00:24:03.805 Lithium deposits or quartz or. 00:24:04.613 --> 00:24:06.983 Colleen Coffman: There was, and I don't know if this had anything to 00:24:06.983 --> 00:24:11.943 do with it or not, but there was a military base just right across the 00:24:11.943 --> 00:24:16.143 fence line that was supposed to be shut down, and I don't think it ever did. 00:24:17.375 --> 00:24:18.745 Jody: Yeah, that's, ticking a box. 00:24:19.413 --> 00:24:22.713 Colleen Coffman: I don't know if there was any quartz or any, anything 00:24:22.713 --> 00:24:24.513 like that in the general area. 00:24:24.963 --> 00:24:26.463 Um, not that I'm aware of. 00:24:27.446 --> 00:24:30.986 Jody: Any geological activity like earthquakes 00:24:31.486 --> 00:24:32.356 Colleen Coffman: Oh, no, no, no, no. 00:24:32.356 --> 00:24:35.236 We're talking right in the middle of like on the outskirts of Kansas 00:24:35.236 --> 00:24:38.166 City, Missouri, so no, not really. 00:24:38.196 --> 00:24:38.496 No. 00:24:38.996 --> 00:24:40.826 Jody: Mainly plains then, flatland and, 00:24:41.306 --> 00:24:41.546 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:24:42.046 --> 00:24:42.196 Jody: Huh. 00:24:42.696 --> 00:24:43.056 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:24:43.086 --> 00:24:43.896 Jody: That's interesting. 00:24:44.396 --> 00:24:44.636 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:24:44.666 --> 00:24:47.546 Just the pond that I'm aware of, I have no idea. 00:24:47.546 --> 00:24:51.392 And if I had the money, they want like $2 million for that piece of property. 00:24:52.662 --> 00:24:58.089 I know it's ridiculous and that woman just is, is I just not thinking right. 00:24:58.089 --> 00:24:59.889 If she really wants to sell it anyways. 00:25:00.389 --> 00:25:04.229 If I had the money, I would buy that property and I would love it a lot. 00:25:06.029 --> 00:25:10.219 But it's been, parceled off and abandoned really for a very, 00:25:10.219 --> 00:25:12.319 very long time, for decades now. 00:25:12.819 --> 00:25:17.890 Gab: So you've mentioned that you have been drawing entities and that 00:25:17.890 --> 00:25:21.930 it's helped you in ways to like ease tensions to clear negative energy. 00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:27.190 Can you kind of elaborate on how your artistic process interacts 00:25:27.190 --> 00:25:29.270 with your paranormal experiences? 00:25:29.655 --> 00:25:30.995 Colleen Coffman: Wow that's really diverse. 00:25:31.315 --> 00:25:31.735 Okay. 00:25:31.975 --> 00:25:41.905 So I have had a number of really negative entities come to me and just want to 00:25:41.905 --> 00:25:44.925 be drawn when I agree to draw them. 00:25:45.248 --> 00:25:46.508 And it's under stipulations. 00:25:46.508 --> 00:25:47.888 You have to mind your manners. 00:25:48.388 --> 00:25:49.798 You have to be good while you're here. 00:25:49.798 --> 00:25:51.991 You don't mess with anybody while you're here. 00:25:52.171 --> 00:25:54.602 You don't do anything nasty while you're here. 00:25:54.752 --> 00:25:57.412 As soon as I'm done drawing you go on your way. 00:25:57.512 --> 00:25:58.435 Jody: Yeah, setting boundaries. 00:25:58.435 --> 00:25:58.855 That's good. 00:25:58.855 --> 00:25:59.245 Yeah. 00:25:59.785 --> 00:26:00.055 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:26:00.055 --> 00:26:01.195 Those are all the rules. 00:26:01.195 --> 00:26:04.315 And they've all followed those rules nicely. 00:26:04.552 --> 00:26:05.192 Jody: Perfect. 00:26:05.602 --> 00:26:10.402 Colleen Coffman: Yeah, I have had only one that I had to draw the line and 00:26:10.402 --> 00:26:13.182 say, Nope, not you, and not today. 00:26:13.182 --> 00:26:14.172 And probably never. 00:26:14.682 --> 00:26:19.553 And that was because, she came in through another direction rather 00:26:19.553 --> 00:26:22.679 than just coming to me and saying, Hey, would you mind doing this? 00:26:22.949 --> 00:26:24.959 No, that was not, that was not it. 00:26:24.959 --> 00:26:26.848 So, strange story for you. 00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:31.731 Again, I was house sitting for a friend and, I was watching a horror movie. 00:26:31.731 --> 00:26:34.281 I mean, I am a special effect artist. 00:26:34.281 --> 00:26:35.811 I've done practical effects. 00:26:35.841 --> 00:26:40.911 I've done, uh, lots of monsters and lots of murder scenes in films for a long time. 00:26:41.038 --> 00:26:41.556 Jody: Awesome. 00:26:41.741 --> 00:26:45.141 Colleen Coffman: And so watching horror movies is not a big deal to me. 00:26:45.141 --> 00:26:49.611 It's like from September through November, that's usually what I'm doing. 00:26:49.744 --> 00:26:49.956 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:26:50.486 --> 00:26:51.966 Jody: Or all year for Gabrielle, right? 00:26:52.126 --> 00:26:54.436 Colleen Coffman: Love, love, love the horror movies. 00:26:55.116 --> 00:26:56.616 Nowadays it's a little bit different. 00:26:56.616 --> 00:27:00.696 My perspective has changed a bit, and the reason that it changed was because 00:27:00.696 --> 00:27:02.695 I was house sitting for these people. 00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:08.506 I had a horror movie on, and it's one that I have seen many times. 00:27:08.806 --> 00:27:12.736 It is part of a gigantic franchise nowadays. 00:27:13.156 --> 00:27:18.778 And then I noticed that the big bad chick in this movie was suddenly in my house. 00:27:19.278 --> 00:27:21.768 And I, I thought that that was going on. 00:27:21.768 --> 00:27:24.408 I mean, there were lots of negative things going on. 00:27:24.408 --> 00:27:29.058 And then we started seeing her and my husband started seeing her. 00:27:29.058 --> 00:27:33.018 And my husband is not a guy that typically sees things like that. 00:27:33.408 --> 00:27:37.598 Um, so it took me about six months to get her out of my house and out of my life. 00:27:37.638 --> 00:27:40.609 Jody: Yeah, that's, that's really, really interesting because I don't necessarily 00:27:40.609 --> 00:27:45.409 believe that that was maybe the true form of the entity, but it kind of like 00:27:45.409 --> 00:27:47.389 stepped into those shoes to say, oh, 00:27:47.389 --> 00:27:47.599 well 00:27:47.766 --> 00:27:48.184 Colleen Coffman: Yeah, 00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:49.590 Jody: this is something familiar to you. 00:27:50.057 --> 00:27:50.407 Right? 00:27:50.497 --> 00:27:52.867 That's what I'm gonna, that's what I'm gonna present myself as. 00:27:53.367 --> 00:27:54.627 Colleen Coffman: and she did. 00:27:54.931 --> 00:27:58.287 And it took me a long, hard time to get her out of my life. 00:27:58.521 --> 00:28:01.581 And then, then it was, oh, I don't know, a couple years after that, I 00:28:01.581 --> 00:28:07.344 guess I got stuck in Utah because Delta Airlines was, uh, really in 00:28:07.344 --> 00:28:09.354 a bad way around Christmas time. 00:28:09.384 --> 00:28:13.644 And I ended up with a couple extra weeks with my son and his family out in Utah. 00:28:13.949 --> 00:28:18.419 And during this, I was a little bored and I don't know what possessed me, but 00:28:18.419 --> 00:28:24.656 I typed in a search that said my house is haunted after watching a horror movie. 00:28:24.968 --> 00:28:30.208 And , I was really very shocked and surprised to see that I was not alone 00:28:30.208 --> 00:28:36.278 in the least with the very same movie and the very same franchise with people 00:28:36.278 --> 00:28:37.958 who were experiencing the same thing. 00:28:38.458 --> 00:28:42.208 Gab: so you have done right, you've talked about like doing your drawings 00:28:42.208 --> 00:28:44.638 and like your drawing, some of the figures that you're seeing. 00:28:44.638 --> 00:28:45.148 Colleen Coffman: Yes, 00:28:45.238 --> 00:28:47.678 Gab: Have you ever tried automatic writing? 00:28:48.178 --> 00:28:49.168 Colleen Coffman: Absolutely. 00:28:49.258 --> 00:28:49.798 For sure. 00:28:50.308 --> 00:28:51.928 Gab: How has that worked for you? 00:28:52.428 --> 00:28:55.158 Colleen Coffman: So, you know, it worked great. 00:28:55.458 --> 00:28:59.448 Um, I've done, it's been a long time since I've done it, but I guess that's 00:28:59.448 --> 00:29:03.048 not true either, because the truth of the matter is whenever I do a lot of 00:29:03.048 --> 00:29:07.995 writing, sometimes I have messages come through in my writing, or sometimes my 00:29:07.995 --> 00:29:10.035 mother is so wonderful about this. 00:29:10.035 --> 00:29:13.725 She had a great sense of humor and she was excellent with English and writing. 00:29:13.725 --> 00:29:17.955 And so every now and then I hear her voice come through and, you 00:29:17.955 --> 00:29:19.995 know, with a writing suggestion. 00:29:20.495 --> 00:29:23.105 So yeah, I've done, I've done automatic writing, I've done 00:29:23.105 --> 00:29:24.545 automatic writing and drawing. 00:29:24.545 --> 00:29:25.005 Both. 00:29:25.315 --> 00:29:25.615 Gab: Yeah. 00:29:25.705 --> 00:29:26.545 That's interesting. 00:29:26.755 --> 00:29:29.785 I felt like you would be a really good person to do automatic writing. 00:29:29.785 --> 00:29:31.345 'cause you have like that artistic side. 00:29:31.435 --> 00:29:32.165 Jody: She has the creative, 00:29:32.175 --> 00:29:32.605 Gab: Yeah 00:29:32.655 --> 00:29:32.885 Jody: Framework. 00:29:33.213 --> 00:29:34.263 Yeah, absolutely. 00:29:34.653 --> 00:29:38.332 Well, just, just to backtrack just a little bit, going back to this entity 00:29:38.382 --> 00:29:42.721 that you Googled and other people were seeing this, it's interesting because, 00:29:43.274 --> 00:29:45.044 when you think about haunted locations, 00:29:45.267 --> 00:29:45.687 Colleen Coffman: Mm-hmm. 00:29:46.047 --> 00:29:49.587 Jody: and how people sometimes keep seeing the same thing over and over 00:29:49.587 --> 00:29:52.857 again, whether they know or, or not, the history of that location, 00:29:53.357 --> 00:29:53.577 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:29:54.077 --> 00:29:54.347 Jody: Uh, 00:29:54.847 --> 00:29:57.877 A lot of those entities, sometimes there's no history on 00:29:58.377 --> 00:29:58.597 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:29:58.702 --> 00:30:01.162 Jody: it's people that are going there over and over and over again, and 00:30:01.162 --> 00:30:05.662 they're seeing this, and then it's like almost like everybody is collectively 00:30:05.662 --> 00:30:07.596 deciding what is there they're 00:30:07.596 --> 00:30:08.586 putting that energy into it. 00:30:08.586 --> 00:30:10.656 And I think it's kind of like the same thing that's going 00:30:10.656 --> 00:30:13.526 on, uh, with, with said movies. 00:30:13.776 --> 00:30:16.096 Colleen Coffman: That's an interesting, that's an interesting concept. 00:30:16.096 --> 00:30:17.566 I think that's very possible. 00:30:18.046 --> 00:30:18.346 Jody: Yeah. 00:30:18.346 --> 00:30:19.700 I mean it's, mass distributed. 00:30:19.899 --> 00:30:22.209 You're putting these movies in everybody's household, you know what I mean? 00:30:22.742 --> 00:30:24.639 Millions of people watching. 00:30:24.639 --> 00:30:25.179 Yeah. 00:30:25.679 --> 00:30:29.451 Colleen Coffman: It's like opening a portal into everybody's home. 00:30:29.744 --> 00:30:29.992 Jody: yeah. 00:30:30.597 --> 00:30:33.297 But it is different though, because when you're watching a movie that's 00:30:33.297 --> 00:30:35.307 a visual, uh, that's visual art. 00:30:35.381 --> 00:30:38.793 Now you're putting form to these, these entities. 00:30:38.793 --> 00:30:39.093 Right? 00:30:39.423 --> 00:30:41.103 So now this is what it looks like. 00:30:41.103 --> 00:30:44.103 And Yeah, like I said, I think a lot of these entities. 00:30:44.133 --> 00:30:45.923 We don't know what they are, you know what I mean? 00:30:45.933 --> 00:30:46.263 Colleen Coffman: Nope, 00:30:46.423 --> 00:30:46.883 Jody: Are they ghosts? 00:30:46.883 --> 00:30:47.523 Are they spirits? 00:30:47.523 --> 00:30:48.073 Are they Fae? 00:30:48.093 --> 00:30:49.497 Are they, something else? 00:30:49.497 --> 00:30:51.267 Are they extraterrestrials? 00:30:51.267 --> 00:30:52.377 Are they ultra terrestrials? 00:30:52.377 --> 00:30:52.532 Right? 00:30:53.132 --> 00:30:53.782 Colleen Coffman: Interdimensionals. 00:30:53.782 --> 00:30:53.862 Yes. 00:30:53.928 --> 00:30:54.477 Jody: Yeah. 00:30:54.867 --> 00:30:57.177 So you have no idea what these things are, and it, if they 00:30:57.177 --> 00:31:01.607 want, if they want attention or they want to communicate with you, I 00:31:01.607 --> 00:31:04.987 think they're just happy to, sort of slip into those shoes of what you're 00:31:04.987 --> 00:31:08.277 willing to accept as, know, reality. 00:31:08.337 --> 00:31:09.027 Question mark. 00:31:09.182 --> 00:31:09.462 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:09.807 --> 00:31:11.577 Colleen Coffman: That's very possible. 00:31:11.577 --> 00:31:12.747 That makes a lot of sense. 00:31:13.508 --> 00:31:13.748 Gab: That's an 00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:17.242 Like, ooh, you see me, you'll interact with 00:31:18.102 --> 00:31:19.842 Jody: But it's like mass hypnosis almost, you know 00:31:19.842 --> 00:31:20.172 what I mean? 00:31:20.202 --> 00:31:20.352 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:20.752 --> 00:31:21.152 Jody: All these people 00:31:21.252 --> 00:31:21.672 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:31:22.062 --> 00:31:23.562 Jody: Millions of people watching these movies over and over and 00:31:23.592 --> 00:31:25.952 over again worldwide, and it's just, you're creating those. 00:31:26.682 --> 00:31:29.412 Colleen Coffman: And you know, the weird thing about that particular movie is that 00:31:29.412 --> 00:31:31.812 I had seen it countless times before. 00:31:31.923 --> 00:31:32.373 Gab: Right. 00:31:32.763 --> 00:31:34.323 Colleen Coffman: It never affected me that way. 00:31:34.323 --> 00:31:35.013 Like that, 00:31:35.073 --> 00:31:35.463 Jody: yeah. 00:31:35.872 --> 00:31:36.063 Gab: Yeah. 00:31:36.063 --> 00:31:36.783 That's interesting. 00:31:37.052 --> 00:31:38.652 Jody: So anyway, how did this progress? 00:31:39.022 --> 00:31:41.302 Colleen Coffman: I tried several different things to try and get 00:31:41.302 --> 00:31:45.262 it outta my house because that's just not a fun thing to live with. 00:31:45.512 --> 00:31:47.882 And I was, I was falling short man. 00:31:48.152 --> 00:31:51.662 And then one evening my sister and brother-in-law and I went 00:31:51.662 --> 00:31:55.892 out to, uh, a graveyard that we had been to many different times 00:31:55.892 --> 00:31:57.452 and it was just a peaceful place. 00:31:57.962 --> 00:32:00.422 And on this particular night, it was not peaceful. 00:32:00.422 --> 00:32:03.992 And my sister looked at me and she said, what have you got with you? 00:32:04.167 --> 00:32:04.387 Jody: Oh, 00:32:04.387 --> 00:32:04.746 wow. 00:32:05.056 --> 00:32:05.536 Colleen Coffman: Right. 00:32:05.536 --> 00:32:09.106 And I was like, oh, I know what that is. 00:32:09.286 --> 00:32:16.426 And so between her and I, we, we did some protective things and we sent her packing. 00:32:16.926 --> 00:32:20.946 So it kind of took my sister and I to send her on her way. 00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:24.820 And every now and then she pokes her nose back in and I smack it. 00:32:24.935 --> 00:32:28.964 But I also, you know, I feel for people who've had this happen to them. 00:32:28.964 --> 00:32:34.294 I know that I have experience in this field and that I am aware 00:32:34.294 --> 00:32:38.134 that I can get rid of these things and how to go about that. 00:32:38.434 --> 00:32:44.149 And I, it was a struggle for me, but I feel for people who don't have any 00:32:44.149 --> 00:32:49.285 experience in getting rid of things like that and what they must be going through, 00:32:49.804 --> 00:32:53.115 Jody: Well, I could tell you we don't have any experience of any sort of 00:32:53.115 --> 00:32:57.282 attachment or any, I don't think we've ever really had any negative entities. 00:32:57.804 --> 00:32:58.184 Gab: No. 00:32:58.564 --> 00:32:59.524 Colleen Coffman: That's a good thing. 00:33:00.024 --> 00:33:03.136 Jody: you know, but I'm trying to keep, you know, I'm trying to 00:33:03.136 --> 00:33:06.556 keep an open mind here and try to approach it in a different way. 00:33:06.556 --> 00:33:10.036 Most people, they approach it in the way that it's presented on tv. 00:33:10.167 --> 00:33:11.097 Everything's a demon. 00:33:11.097 --> 00:33:13.017 Everything, you know, hauntings are 00:33:13.017 --> 00:33:14.427 bad, this and that, you know, 00:33:14.897 --> 00:33:16.997 Colleen Coffman: I was gonna say, and that's not it either. 00:33:16.997 --> 00:33:21.347 I mean, the truth of the matter is that I have run across some really ugly, 00:33:21.347 --> 00:33:24.557 nasty, mean, awful energies in my life. 00:33:25.057 --> 00:33:30.367 And, um, maybe 0.001% of them were demonic. 00:33:30.867 --> 00:33:34.497 They were usually some type of a dimensional being, or they 00:33:34.497 --> 00:33:36.877 were a really pissed off spirit. 00:33:37.327 --> 00:33:39.017 Gab: Yeah, and that's the thing too. 00:33:39.017 --> 00:33:41.092 People don't always take it to account. 00:33:41.092 --> 00:33:44.012 Like if you were a nasty person in life, you're gonna be a 00:33:44.012 --> 00:33:45.902 nasty person in the afterlife. 00:33:46.377 --> 00:33:47.067 Colleen Coffman: That's right. 00:33:47.737 --> 00:33:47.859 Jody: And 00:33:47.859 --> 00:33:50.709 again, when you no longer have a physical body 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:57.044 Can you present yourself in a way that's different than how you were in life? 00:33:57.361 --> 00:33:57.841 You know? 00:33:58.301 --> 00:33:58.941 Colleen Coffman: Absolutely. 00:34:00.085 --> 00:34:02.156 Jody: You might've been a miserable pushover in life. 00:34:03.286 --> 00:34:06.846 But then you decide, Hey, I'm gonna be a big scary shadow monster when You 00:34:07.461 --> 00:34:07.971 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:08.471 --> 00:34:08.771 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:34:08.801 --> 00:34:10.031 And I'm gonna be mean. 00:34:10.544 --> 00:34:10.831 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:10.831 --> 00:34:11.191 Yeah. 00:34:11.236 --> 00:34:12.286 Jody: It's all hypothetical. 00:34:12.286 --> 00:34:13.486 We don't know how any of this works. 00:34:13.486 --> 00:34:14.716 We're never going to, but, 00:34:15.961 --> 00:34:18.781 Colleen Coffman: No, I don't know how any of this works, but, but 00:34:18.961 --> 00:34:24.631 you, you guys have experiences those count, I have experiences those count 00:34:24.871 --> 00:34:28.411 and they'll help us to get through the rest of it on down the road. 00:34:29.187 --> 00:34:33.597 Gab: You have mentioned that you encounter entities that match descriptions from 00:34:33.597 --> 00:34:35.698 various mythologies and religions. 00:34:36.028 --> 00:34:40.043 How do you reconcile those diverse supernatural experiences with 00:34:40.143 --> 00:34:41.853 your personal spiritual beliefs? 00:34:42.118 --> 00:34:43.258 Colleen Coffman: I, you know what? 00:34:43.288 --> 00:34:46.738 I am subject to change those beliefs at any point in time. 00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:52.249 I have my, my basis, my basis is that, you know, love is the deal. 00:34:52.459 --> 00:34:57.019 There's no greater weapon in this universe, than love. 00:34:57.284 --> 00:34:58.424 It's what we come from. 00:34:58.424 --> 00:34:59.594 It's what we go to. 00:34:59.624 --> 00:35:01.334 That's, that's my foundation. 00:35:01.648 --> 00:35:03.876 And I believe in a great creator as well. 00:35:04.116 --> 00:35:06.576 Everything beyond that is negotiable. 00:35:07.525 --> 00:35:10.471 I'm trying to learn and I know I don't know it all. 00:35:10.471 --> 00:35:12.181 The more I learn, the more I know. 00:35:12.181 --> 00:35:13.351 I don't know anything. 00:35:13.406 --> 00:35:14.096 Jody: Oh, it's impossible. 00:35:14.096 --> 00:35:18.286 How, how it's, this is, it's like a great mystery how all this stuff works. 00:35:18.286 --> 00:35:20.326 It's nearly impossible to understand. 00:35:20.326 --> 00:35:21.506 It's all experience based. 00:35:21.646 --> 00:35:23.232 That's it, is what I'm trying say. 00:35:23.640 --> 00:35:26.910 Colleen Coffman: I don't think anybody is capable of understanding at all. 00:35:26.910 --> 00:35:30.501 We're human beings inside of a human body or outside of a human 00:35:30.501 --> 00:35:32.601 body we're, we have a human body. 00:35:33.101 --> 00:35:35.951 So we're here for that third dimensional experience. 00:35:36.446 --> 00:35:36.776 Jody: Yeah. 00:35:37.196 --> 00:35:38.681 I like to use the example of Bigfoot. 00:35:39.270 --> 00:35:41.516 You know, people all over the world have experienced Bigfoot 00:35:41.516 --> 00:35:43.376 for, you know, thousands of years, 00:35:44.146 --> 00:35:45.316 Colleen Coffman: Yes, I have. 00:35:45.451 --> 00:35:46.381 Jody: never gonna find one. 00:35:46.561 --> 00:35:48.511 You have, you've had a Bigfoot experience. 00:35:48.826 --> 00:35:51.586 Colleen Coffman: I have, I have what I would, I believe that 00:35:51.586 --> 00:35:53.356 they were Bigfoot experiences. 00:35:53.356 --> 00:35:53.866 Yes. 00:35:54.223 --> 00:35:54.973 Jody: Let's hear about it. 00:35:55.198 --> 00:35:55.348 Gab: Yeah. 00:35:55.499 --> 00:35:56.143 Jody: Give us one or two. 00:35:56.643 --> 00:35:57.303 Colleen Coffman: Absolutely. 00:35:57.303 --> 00:36:00.483 So, um, all of the exper, no, all but one. 00:36:00.483 --> 00:36:03.783 I've had an experience in the last year that I think was probably 00:36:03.783 --> 00:36:06.683 Bigfoot, uh, where we just moved to. 00:36:06.683 --> 00:36:11.543 So we, my grandfather owned a lot of land down in South 00:36:11.543 --> 00:36:13.103 Missouri, south central Missouri. 00:36:13.603 --> 00:36:15.793 And, uh, we would go down there a lot. 00:36:16.033 --> 00:36:17.503 He called it his Rancho. 00:36:18.003 --> 00:36:18.903 It was pretty cute. 00:36:18.963 --> 00:36:22.773 It was like 40 some odd acres of mostly timber. 00:36:23.043 --> 00:36:27.003 But he had a farmhouse and, and he had a smokehouse and he had 00:36:27.003 --> 00:36:30.963 a barn and, you know, an orchard and a field and blah, blah, blah. 00:36:31.113 --> 00:36:32.913 Some livestock, not a lot. 00:36:32.943 --> 00:36:36.581 Some cattle, like, I think there were three cows and, three 00:36:36.581 --> 00:36:38.531 goats and a couple of pigs. 00:36:38.531 --> 00:36:41.445 And a dog and a cat, and, you know, just that kind of thing. 00:36:41.445 --> 00:36:43.245 And we would go down there a lot. 00:36:43.495 --> 00:36:46.983 The house was haunted for one, but it was an old farmhouse. 00:36:46.983 --> 00:36:49.143 You expected it to be haunted, you know? 00:36:49.674 --> 00:36:53.364 but we decided about, I think I was probably 16. 00:36:53.724 --> 00:36:57.264 It was me and my little sister and my little brother and my boyfriend at the 00:36:57.264 --> 00:36:59.424 time decided to go down there and camp. 00:36:59.924 --> 00:37:05.474 When we got there, it was just, oh, I don't know, just a little before dark. 00:37:05.474 --> 00:37:11.681 So we went out and set up our camp just inside the wood line, and we 00:37:11.681 --> 00:37:16.271 were cutting down sprouts and putting up our tent and putting up a, a fire 00:37:16.271 --> 00:37:18.281 pit and all of these good things. 00:37:18.281 --> 00:37:23.181 And the bugs were so loud that we were literally yelling at 00:37:23.181 --> 00:37:27.239 each other in order to be heard, like three feet apart, you know? 00:37:27.346 --> 00:37:27.636 Jody: Yeah, 00:37:28.136 --> 00:37:31.376 Colleen Coffman: We got everything put together and then we decided to 00:37:31.376 --> 00:37:36.736 hop into the tent and maybe smoke a little something, and when we were 00:37:37.113 --> 00:37:40.807 done, all of a sudden it got so quiet. 00:37:40.986 --> 00:37:42.310 Jody: That's a warning sign. 00:37:42.501 --> 00:37:43.761 When the woods go quiet. 00:37:43.811 --> 00:37:44.471 Pay attention. 00:37:44.779 --> 00:37:46.219 Colleen Coffman: Yeah, watch for grandpa. 00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:48.289 'cause you don't want him to catch you doing this. 00:37:48.685 --> 00:37:48.939 Then 00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:52.549 it got super quiet. 00:37:52.549 --> 00:37:56.929 I mean, just like all of a sudden, and it was so shocking to all 00:37:56.929 --> 00:38:00.079 of us that we're looking at each other and our eyes are bulging out. 00:38:00.409 --> 00:38:04.699 It's dark by this time and we have a fire going outside the tent. 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:11.919 But it got so quiet and then we hear something big, big, big walking on 00:38:11.919 --> 00:38:18.879 two legs up through the, the grass and the leaf litter and just the woods 00:38:19.209 --> 00:38:21.239 walking straight up behind the tent. 00:38:21.739 --> 00:38:23.539 We were terrified. 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.109 We had no weapons. 00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:28.779 We had no way to protect ourself. 00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:31.539 My first thought really was the neighbor. 00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:34.209 His name was Les, and he was kind of a creep. 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:38.529 So my first thought was that Les was gonna bug us. 00:38:38.529 --> 00:38:41.799 He saw our fire through the woods and he was gonna come give us a hard time. 00:38:41.799 --> 00:38:47.299 Well, we heard them walk up behind the tent and then it went quiet 00:38:47.299 --> 00:38:50.498 again and there was nothing further. 00:38:50.738 --> 00:38:54.218 So my boyfriend at the time grabbed up the only thing we had, 00:38:54.218 --> 00:38:56.648 which was a pump action BB gun. 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:02.577 And he pumped it up and he went flying out that tent, you know, prepared to die. 00:39:02.932 --> 00:39:04.252 And there was nothing there. 00:39:04.752 --> 00:39:08.772 And then there was this little, um, I would call it, it was probably 00:39:08.772 --> 00:39:12.291 about the size of a ping pong ball, maybe just a little bit bigger. 00:39:12.586 --> 00:39:16.726 This little white lighted orb came flying through our tent. 00:39:17.227 --> 00:39:19.836 Jody: I was gonna ask if there was any light anomalies 00:39:19.836 --> 00:39:21.638 associated with that experience. 00:39:22.041 --> 00:39:24.141 Colleen Coffman: Yes, there were And a smell. 00:39:24.291 --> 00:39:25.731 There was also a smell. 00:39:25.761 --> 00:39:26.511 Jody: That was my next question. 00:39:27.061 --> 00:39:27.391 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:39:27.631 --> 00:39:28.621 It stunk. 00:39:28.771 --> 00:39:34.036 It smelled like, it's hard to describe, but it smelled to me like 00:39:34.066 --> 00:39:37.366 a combination of rotten gasoline, 00:39:37.866 --> 00:39:38.086 Jody: Oh, 00:39:38.101 --> 00:39:38.491 wow. 00:39:38.926 --> 00:39:43.321 Colleen Coffman: Like garlic or sulfur or something along those lines. 00:39:43.491 --> 00:39:47.357 Jody: Okay that checks almost like a death smell or a, like a, Like a 00:39:47.357 --> 00:39:48.077 bog smell. 00:39:48.177 --> 00:39:49.527 . Colleen Coffman: A boggy smell. 00:39:49.527 --> 00:39:50.067 Yes. 00:39:50.356 --> 00:39:54.875 Jody: I, I've heard people describe it as wet dog and citrus, uh, 00:39:54.905 --> 00:39:55.595 mixed together. 00:39:56.470 --> 00:39:57.040 Colleen Coffman: Okay. 00:39:57.460 --> 00:39:57.610 Yeah. 00:39:57.640 --> 00:40:01.890 This smelled like the only thing I could ever akin it to was like 00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:04.750 rotten gasoline and like garlic. 00:40:05.250 --> 00:40:10.110 It was a very, very pungent, very odd smell, and it was strong. 00:40:10.470 --> 00:40:13.300 Jody: Now, I don't know if you put this together, but, one experience, you're 00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:18.420 talking about the shadow entity on, I believe it was on the fence line. 00:40:18.660 --> 00:40:21.690 I don't know if you put this together, that you were also kind of like on 00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:25.080 the border of, of the woods there with your big foot experience. 00:40:25.580 --> 00:40:25.800 Colleen Coffman: Oh, 00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:28.070 Jody: So they're both at boundaries. 00:40:28.570 --> 00:40:31.300 You know, A fence line would be a boundary, a rock wall would be a 00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:35.705 boundary, a, you know, a field where it connects to the woods, you know, 00:40:35.755 --> 00:40:35.975 Colleen Coffman: yep. 00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:37.120 Jody: would, be a boundary. 00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:37.520 So, 00:40:37.660 --> 00:40:37.840 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.230 We were ru we were like 10 feet in the side of the wood line. 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:43.810 We, because people were brave teenagers, you know? 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:44.170 Gab: yeah. 00:40:44.549 --> 00:40:47.170 Jody: interesting detail, you know, that I picked up on. 00:40:47.220 --> 00:40:49.200 Colleen Coffman: That is really interesting. 00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:50.670 I hadn't thought about that. 00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:51.270 Thank you, 00:40:51.270 --> 00:40:51.870 Jody. 00:40:52.389 --> 00:40:55.779 We did have other experiences on that property that I think 00:40:55.779 --> 00:40:57.279 were all so Bigfoot related. 00:40:57.279 --> 00:40:58.399 I never saw him. 00:40:59.207 --> 00:41:02.197 But there were times when you went in those woods that it was okay, 00:41:02.197 --> 00:41:05.167 and there were times you went into those woods and it was not okay. 00:41:05.467 --> 00:41:07.682 Jody: Any sounds, with those experiences? 00:41:07.962 --> 00:41:08.562 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:41:08.592 --> 00:41:14.262 Wood knocking and I didn't realize that's what it was until just a few years ago. 00:41:14.262 --> 00:41:18.551 I mean, we're talking about me as a child and a teenager, you know, and 00:41:18.551 --> 00:41:22.961 I had to go back and ask my dad before he passed, and then my siblings also, 00:41:22.961 --> 00:41:28.001 it was like, do you guys remember like hearing somebody chopping wood? 00:41:28.501 --> 00:41:28.981 Oh yeah. 00:41:29.101 --> 00:41:30.211 Yeah, I remember that. 00:41:30.211 --> 00:41:33.301 Well, we all assumed it was a neighbor, even though there really wasn't a 00:41:33.301 --> 00:41:35.401 neighbor for a half a mile or more. 00:41:35.727 --> 00:41:38.006 Jody: Yeah, that's, that's super interesting. 00:41:38.126 --> 00:41:40.946 You're, you're, you're ticking all the boxes, like I said, so. 00:41:41.196 --> 00:41:41.629 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:44.749 That's what it took me until I was in my forties to figure 00:41:44.749 --> 00:41:46.249 out what that probably was. 00:41:46.749 --> 00:41:50.349 Jody: So you said you never saw him, you never saw what was causing the noise 00:41:50.349 --> 00:41:51.879 or the smell or anything like that. 00:41:51.959 --> 00:41:55.649 So what are your thoughts on, let's call, let's call that 00:41:55.649 --> 00:41:57.089 experience a Bigfoot experience. 00:41:57.089 --> 00:41:57.389 Okay. 00:41:57.661 --> 00:41:57.993 Colleen Coffman: Maybe. 00:41:58.343 --> 00:41:58.633 Okay. 00:41:58.855 --> 00:42:04.033 Jody: What, um, what do you think Bigfoot is based off those experiences? 00:42:05.094 --> 00:42:12.179 Colleen Coffman: So based off of those experiences and the, um, my older, wiser 00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:18.432 mind, I, I really feel like they are some type of dimensional being really 00:42:18.932 --> 00:42:19.802 Gab: Yeah, we agree. 00:42:19.832 --> 00:42:20.482 We're there too. 00:42:20.642 --> 00:42:24.137 Jody: We're, we're kicking that around between, um, definitely not flesh and 00:42:24.137 --> 00:42:27.532 blood, or not in the sense that we know of unless it's, you know, they're 00:42:27.532 --> 00:42:29.233 phasing in and out of realities. 00:42:29.452 --> 00:42:29.872 Colleen Coffman: yes. 00:42:29.872 --> 00:42:31.852 That's exactly what I think is going on. 00:42:31.852 --> 00:42:33.082 I think they come and go. 00:42:33.215 --> 00:42:36.172 Jody: Yeah, it makes sense because people have, you know, they, they 00:42:36.172 --> 00:42:40.342 report these big hulking creatures, uh, you know, in, in forests or 00:42:40.342 --> 00:42:41.542 wherever, not even just in forests. 00:42:41.542 --> 00:42:46.132 Like people see, people see these things in the, in the middle of towns. 00:42:46.162 --> 00:42:48.894 Like, uh, we're from Pennsylvania, so Gettysburg, 00:42:49.131 --> 00:42:50.121 Colleen Coffman: Oh, yeah. 00:42:50.301 --> 00:42:52.471 Jody: There was in the 1920s, I believe it was. 00:42:52.733 --> 00:42:55.828 A Bigfoot walked right through the town, right through the center 00:42:55.828 --> 00:42:58.868 of town, and they, I believe they called it, an ape in that it's, 00:42:58.868 --> 00:43:00.283 Gab: it was called The Gettysburg Gorilla. 00:43:00.509 --> 00:43:01.359 Colleen Coffman: I never heard of that. 00:43:01.729 --> 00:43:03.039 I'm going to have to go look at that. 00:43:03.379 --> 00:43:03.679 Jody: Yeah. 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.639 That's an interesting story. 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.519 They said that it escaped the circus or whatever, but there reno circuses 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.879 in town at the, at the time, so, yeah. 00:43:10.404 --> 00:43:11.584 Colleen Coffman: Well they had to say something you know. 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:12.359 Jody: Yeah. 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.669 You gotta explain it away, like one way or another. 00:43:14.779 --> 00:43:14.979 Exactly. 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:15.389 Gab: Yeah. 00:43:15.469 --> 00:43:16.579 Jody: So we're, we're kind of with you there. 00:43:16.579 --> 00:43:22.329 We think it's, it's something that's not flesh and blood and it's not an ape. 00:43:22.329 --> 00:43:24.309 I, you know, it doesn't make sense to be an ape in the woods. 00:43:24.309 --> 00:43:27.719 It, there wouldn't be enough food if there was populations of these things. 00:43:28.219 --> 00:43:31.039 Colleen Coffman: And we, and we're pretty firmly convinced, or at 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.692 least I'm pretty firmly convinced that there is a population of them. 00:43:35.947 --> 00:43:41.501 I know that they have seen, different types of UFOs around different sightings 00:43:41.501 --> 00:43:43.056 of what they're called Bigfoots. 00:43:43.061 --> 00:43:44.201 Mm-hmm. 00:43:44.276 --> 00:43:45.896 Jody: Yeah, it's all connected somehow. 00:43:46.335 --> 00:43:46.616 Yeah, 00:43:46.681 --> 00:43:47.181 Gab: It's so interesting too. 00:43:47.306 --> 00:43:48.421 Jody: The lights, the UFOs. 00:43:48.421 --> 00:43:48.661 Gab: Yeah. 00:43:48.661 --> 00:43:49.826 Jody: And, and you get Bigfoot. 00:43:49.841 --> 00:43:50.096 Yeah. 00:43:50.101 --> 00:43:51.341 Gab: Like if you get one, you get it all. 00:43:51.531 --> 00:43:51.821 Jody: Yeah. 00:43:52.042 --> 00:43:53.317 Colleen Coffman: Abso Well, and the ghost too. 00:43:53.317 --> 00:43:53.647 I mean, 00:43:53.827 --> 00:43:54.067 Gab: Yeah. 00:43:54.547 --> 00:43:57.367 Colleen Coffman: let's look at Skin Walker Ranch for a minute, because 00:43:57.527 --> 00:43:59.917 truth is, they have all that going on. 00:43:59.977 --> 00:44:03.897 All of it, and more I, I was gonna say, I think it's all related. 00:44:04.302 --> 00:44:04.572 Jody: Yeah. 00:44:04.572 --> 00:44:04.962 Oh yeah. 00:44:05.052 --> 00:44:08.232 I, I mean, watching it on tv, you know, you, you know what they're doing for tv. 00:44:08.232 --> 00:44:09.222 They need views. 00:44:09.292 --> 00:44:10.859 So, it's gonna be dramatic. 00:44:11.103 --> 00:44:13.653 I think something weird is going on at Skin Walker Ranch. 00:44:13.653 --> 00:44:14.043 Ranch 00:44:14.053 --> 00:44:14.173 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:44:14.303 --> 00:44:15.273 Jody: I just don't know what it is. 00:44:15.273 --> 00:44:20.453 But yeah, it's a mixed bag of paranormal, uh, phenomena for sure. 00:44:20.953 --> 00:44:23.683 Colleen Coffman: If you've ever done any looking into the Skin Walker 00:44:23.683 --> 00:44:28.603 Ranch, it was on my radar a decade before it ever hit, uh, a TV show. 00:44:29.103 --> 00:44:33.373 So I've been watching it for a long time and, there's stuff going on there. 00:44:33.373 --> 00:44:34.723 I mean, it is a mixed bag. 00:44:34.723 --> 00:44:35.684 You're right about that. 00:44:35.984 --> 00:44:40.364 There's so much going on from so many different angles, uh, of 00:44:40.364 --> 00:44:44.294 all different types of paranormal activity, and there always has been. 00:44:44.794 --> 00:44:49.714 So I don't know what that is or if they're all just related 00:44:49.714 --> 00:44:50.944 and we need to deal with it. 00:44:51.327 --> 00:44:51.747 Gab: Right. 00:44:51.987 --> 00:44:52.407 Yeah. 00:44:52.407 --> 00:44:54.507 Like if they come and they bring their friends on 00:44:54.507 --> 00:44:55.287 like a night out, 00:44:55.787 --> 00:44:57.167 Jody: Moth Man's there and, 00:44:57.667 --> 00:44:59.587 Colleen Coffman: Dog man, you gotta keep a dog man in there too. 00:44:59.782 --> 00:45:00.202 Jody: oh, the 00:45:00.352 --> 00:45:00.487 Gab: dog 00:45:00.502 --> 00:45:00.802 Jody: man. 00:45:01.302 --> 00:45:04.512 Dog man, to me sounds like Bigfoot, i'm sorry, other than the fact 00:45:04.512 --> 00:45:07.242 that it's described as a big hulking, werewolf sort of thing. 00:45:07.742 --> 00:45:09.662 Colleen Coffman: So I wonder about that. 00:45:09.662 --> 00:45:14.392 I, you know, because they remind me very much, intuitively speaking, they 00:45:14.392 --> 00:45:16.452 remind me very much of like Anubis. 00:45:16.932 --> 00:45:21.192 So I'm wondering if they've been around for a very, very, very long time. 00:45:21.192 --> 00:45:24.642 Just like the Bigfoot, they're just, the rake is another one. 00:45:24.642 --> 00:45:28.442 You know, they're all these, these cryptids and the fairies for that 00:45:28.442 --> 00:45:30.512 matter, you know, they come and go too. 00:45:31.012 --> 00:45:31.882 Gab: yeah, they do. 00:45:31.942 --> 00:45:34.162 Jody: I mean, we've touched on fairies a few times here, I think. 00:45:34.662 --> 00:45:34.932 Colleen Coffman: Yep, 00:45:34.982 --> 00:45:37.392 Jody: I think I want to go, I think I want to take it down this route now. 00:45:38.142 --> 00:45:38.922 Colleen Coffman: Let's go. 00:45:40.692 --> 00:45:40.842 Jody: All right. 00:45:41.687 --> 00:45:42.657 are the Fae? 00:45:43.286 --> 00:45:47.366 Colleen Coffman: So I, I, and again, I don't know exactly what 00:45:47.366 --> 00:45:49.646 they are except that they are here. 00:45:50.126 --> 00:45:56.486 And I believe that elementals also, kind of an another blanket phrase for fairies. 00:45:56.876 --> 00:45:59.456 Uh, I believe that they take care of our earth. 00:45:59.726 --> 00:46:05.606 And what they told me many years ago is that, um, we were both the 00:46:05.606 --> 00:46:09.326 fairies and the humans were supposed to be stewards here on this planet. 00:46:09.826 --> 00:46:12.226 And we developed in a different way. 00:46:12.726 --> 00:46:17.776 And we took a different path and left them holding their bag and our bag. 00:46:18.276 --> 00:46:23.346 So they, um, they take care of the planet is what they do, and they clean up 00:46:23.346 --> 00:46:27.276 our mess a lot too, which is why they are not always super friendly with us. 00:46:27.776 --> 00:46:28.855 Jody: Yeah, they don't like us. 00:46:29.740 --> 00:46:30.880 Gab: that makes a lot of sense, I 00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:33.690 Colleen Coffman: They ignore us more than anything. 00:46:33.695 --> 00:46:37.925 I. It's not that they don't like us because there are people obviously 00:46:37.925 --> 00:46:42.465 that they do like, I've had really great encounters with some fairies. 00:46:42.825 --> 00:46:46.395 Uh, most of them just go about their job and pay us no attention. 00:46:46.895 --> 00:46:48.425 Jody: Well, let's hear about one or two of those. 00:46:48.675 --> 00:46:49.095 Colleen Coffman: Okay. 00:46:49.455 --> 00:46:54.986 I had one that I just adored, and you have to understand that ferries 00:46:54.986 --> 00:46:56.816 are mostly regional creatures. 00:46:58.376 --> 00:47:01.136 They don't venture away from where they live. 00:47:01.636 --> 00:47:07.356 So they might be able to go a couple of miles, you know, like a hawk has a certain 00:47:07.356 --> 00:47:12.636 region that it's able to go and fly around and hunt and nest and so on and so forth. 00:47:12.846 --> 00:47:13.836 I don't remember what it is. 00:47:13.836 --> 00:47:16.213 It's like 20 mile radius or something like that. 00:47:16.423 --> 00:47:18.733 Well, ferries are much of the very same way. 00:47:19.036 --> 00:47:22.336 they don't just go where and when they want to. 00:47:22.336 --> 00:47:23.776 That's not the way they're built. 00:47:24.016 --> 00:47:27.826 They have a specific job that they take care of in a specific region. 00:47:28.326 --> 00:47:33.886 So whenever I met her and I met her at the barn, she was what they call a s 00:47:34.206 --> 00:47:39.422 which is, a, for lack of a better term, it, she reminded me a lot of Tinkerbell. 00:47:39.692 --> 00:47:43.385 She had wings and you couldn't see her hands or her feet. 00:47:43.674 --> 00:47:48.084 They were kind of misty, like, uh, almost like smoke or steam. 00:47:48.334 --> 00:47:49.744 She had a very pretty face. 00:47:49.744 --> 00:47:52.564 I couldn't tell you if she was wearing clothes or not because 00:47:52.564 --> 00:47:54.454 everything was pretty fuzzy. 00:47:54.913 --> 00:47:57.013 but she had a very pretty face and a lot of hair. 00:47:57.403 --> 00:48:00.073 And I don't know if it was even hair, it looked, you know, like 00:48:00.073 --> 00:48:03.553 it could have been steam or smoke or something along those lines. 00:48:03.853 --> 00:48:06.433 But she was so precious to me. 00:48:06.643 --> 00:48:11.533 She told me so many different things about, you know, about the fairies and 00:48:11.533 --> 00:48:13.895 about the relationship with human beings 00:48:14.178 --> 00:48:17.808 but she was my favorite and she was able to come see me at my house because 00:48:17.808 --> 00:48:22.068 it was only a couple of miles away from the barn, but she was not able 00:48:22.068 --> 00:48:24.558 to follow whenever I left that area. 00:48:24.966 --> 00:48:26.553 Jody: So any specific rules? 00:48:26.703 --> 00:48:29.698 Anything you have to, you have to mind when you're dealing with the Fae? 00:48:30.098 --> 00:48:31.538 Colleen Coffman: Oh yes, very definitely. 00:48:31.538 --> 00:48:34.898 So, uh, my suggestion is to be respectful. 00:48:35.398 --> 00:48:36.568 Mind your manners. 00:48:36.928 --> 00:48:38.899 also be respectful of the earth. 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:40.819 Don't throw trash around. 00:48:41.129 --> 00:48:46.649 And I've talked about this before on other podcasts, but they hate it whenever 00:48:46.649 --> 00:48:49.169 you don't remove roadkill from the road. 00:48:49.669 --> 00:48:49.859 Jody: Really? 00:48:50.359 --> 00:48:53.364 Colleen Coffman: Yes, and I've had this conversation with them multiple, 00:48:53.364 --> 00:48:56.573 multiple times over the years, and it's like, you know, I'll stop and 00:48:56.573 --> 00:49:00.542 do that for you whenever I can, but I don't want to be roadkill too. 00:49:00.792 --> 00:49:02.622 Jody: I have also heard don't ask for anything. 00:49:03.202 --> 00:49:04.612 Colleen Coffman: Never asked for anything. 00:49:04.642 --> 00:49:05.422 Oh, you know what? 00:49:05.422 --> 00:49:06.262 That's not true. 00:49:06.422 --> 00:49:11.354 Sometimes they like to have, what would you call it, a task. 00:49:11.854 --> 00:49:17.464 Uh, my ex-husband had a key ring that was big enough to check a horse. 00:49:17.494 --> 00:49:18.214 It was huge. 00:49:18.214 --> 00:49:23.181 It had, I mean, he was, he was a mechanic, so he had lots of cars and he had shop 00:49:23.181 --> 00:49:27.321 keys, and he had barn keys, and he had tractor keys, and he had car keys. 00:49:27.409 --> 00:49:30.533 All these keys on one giant key ring. 00:49:31.033 --> 00:49:33.673 And one day he called me and he was freaking out because 00:49:33.673 --> 00:49:34.963 he couldn't find his keys. 00:49:34.963 --> 00:49:37.273 He'd been up to the barn and couldn't find them. 00:49:37.773 --> 00:49:39.483 And it was like, okay, well, hmm. 00:49:39.778 --> 00:49:43.078 He is like, I don't know if somebody took it, or, or maybe 00:49:43.108 --> 00:49:44.248 maybe the fairies took it. 00:49:44.248 --> 00:49:44.998 I don't know. 00:49:45.208 --> 00:49:47.188 Well, I decided to ask for some help. 00:49:47.688 --> 00:49:50.958 I asked the fairies if they could please find those keys and put 00:49:50.958 --> 00:49:54.078 them someplace that he could, you know, that he would find them. 00:49:54.386 --> 00:49:57.626 And by golly, it wasn't very long after that that he called 00:49:57.626 --> 00:49:58.946 me and he said, I found them. 00:49:59.006 --> 00:50:00.536 And I said, where were they? 00:50:00.536 --> 00:50:03.656 And he said, they're on the fence post on the gatepost. 00:50:03.932 --> 00:50:08.402 And it blew his mind because the gatepost was about eight feet in the air, 00:50:08.652 --> 00:50:09.312 Jody: oh, that's funny. 00:50:09.442 --> 00:50:10.002 Gab: Yeah, that is. 00:50:10.109 --> 00:50:13.944 Colleen Coffman: So it wasn't likely a human being that found his keys 00:50:13.944 --> 00:50:15.804 and put them up on that fence post. 00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:16.745 But somebody did. 00:50:17.064 --> 00:50:19.919 Jody: Well unfortunately, unfortunately, now, I guess he's indebted for life. 00:50:19.919 --> 00:50:20.199 right? 00:50:21.699 --> 00:50:23.599 So does, so the stories go. 00:50:24.099 --> 00:50:25.179 Colleen Coffman: I've heard that. 00:50:25.449 --> 00:50:27.339 I've never experienced that. 00:50:27.399 --> 00:50:29.979 Uh, they've always been very kind to me and I've always been 00:50:29.979 --> 00:50:31.419 kind and respectful with them. 00:50:31.674 --> 00:50:31.914 Jody: Yeah. 00:50:31.914 --> 00:50:33.086 We're, we're very careful. 00:50:33.151 --> 00:50:33.541 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:50:33.590 --> 00:50:37.340 Jody: when we leave offerings, we leave it as just what it is. 00:50:37.340 --> 00:50:38.180 This is an offering. 00:50:38.180 --> 00:50:39.800 We don't expect anything in return. 00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:40.550 Colleen Coffman: Right. 00:50:40.580 --> 00:50:40.940 Nope. 00:50:41.030 --> 00:50:42.920 This is for you guys because I care. 00:50:43.670 --> 00:50:44.240 That's right. 00:50:44.295 --> 00:50:45.965 Gab: This is with respect to pay reverence Yep.to 00:50:45.995 --> 00:50:46.705 Colleen Coffman: you and 00:50:46.795 --> 00:50:47.225 Gab: this land. 00:50:47.240 --> 00:50:47.720 Colleen Coffman: That's right. 00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:48.265 Gab: Yeah. 00:50:48.940 --> 00:50:49.210 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:50:49.210 --> 00:50:51.430 And to thank you for all of the wonderful things that you 00:50:51.460 --> 00:50:52.870 do for us, because they do. 00:50:53.095 --> 00:50:53.455 Gab: Yeah. 00:50:53.956 --> 00:50:57.605 Jody: And we didn't always do that, but we learned a little bit, over time, so. 00:50:58.105 --> 00:50:58.315 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:50:58.815 --> 00:50:59.355 Yep. 00:50:59.855 --> 00:51:00.845 That's awesome, 00:51:00.845 --> 00:51:01.557 by the way. 00:51:02.024 --> 00:51:06.262 Gab: What have you seen, like, have you noticed between daytime and 00:51:06.262 --> 00:51:08.302 nighttime in the same location? 00:51:08.512 --> 00:51:13.212 Like, have you noticed differences at, those times in the way that 00:51:13.212 --> 00:51:14.753 like, you feel the presence. 00:51:15.026 --> 00:51:19.376 Colleen Coffman: Oh, I think that it is probably more prominent 00:51:19.876 --> 00:51:23.536 after dark, but maybe that's because I saw more after dark. 00:51:23.851 --> 00:51:27.811 Uh, during the daytime you could feel them and I knew that they were around. 00:51:28.081 --> 00:51:33.361 Uh, sometimes I could hear them, but by and large they were more active. 00:51:33.361 --> 00:51:36.721 Or at least I noticed them being more active after dark 00:51:37.141 --> 00:51:37.411 Jody: Hmm. 00:51:37.911 --> 00:51:39.171 Gab: Yeah, we've noticed the same, 00:51:39.261 --> 00:51:41.961 Jody: and Gabrielle might disagree with me here, but when we started 00:51:41.961 --> 00:51:44.257 all this, you could hear the very beginning of the podcast. 00:51:44.658 --> 00:51:46.768 We would always preach and say, it doesn't matter what 00:51:46.768 --> 00:51:48.417 time of day, what time of night. 00:51:48.716 --> 00:51:51.176 if there's phenomena around it shouldn't matter. 00:51:51.676 --> 00:51:52.606 It's going to happen. 00:51:53.014 --> 00:51:56.769 Now, here's the part Gabrielle may disagree with me on a little bit. 00:51:56.884 --> 00:52:02.009 I, I think it, I'm thinking it does matter now because nighttime you 00:52:02.009 --> 00:52:03.059 have to understand what's happening. 00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.459 Your brain is processing, uh, visual data different, right? 00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:08.349 You, you're basically, it's dark. 00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:09.863 You can't see as well. 00:52:11.049 --> 00:52:15.399 that's when, you know, all of a sudden you're, you're hyper aware of everything 00:52:15.399 --> 00:52:17.439 going on around you, especially if you're in the middle of the woods. 00:52:17.439 --> 00:52:20.635 And like you said before, the bugs are driving you nuts in that tent, right? 00:52:21.278 --> 00:52:27.638 I think that, whether it's us or, uh, the phenomena using that lack 00:52:27.638 --> 00:52:29.633 of, um, of your sensory input, 00:52:29.733 --> 00:52:31.993 I do believe that that actually helps. 00:52:31.993 --> 00:52:33.071 Now, there's two sides of it. 00:52:33.409 --> 00:52:35.384 A lot of people say it's hallucinations, right? 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.629 Your brain you know, is trying to reproduce what it's seeing. 00:52:39.629 --> 00:52:41.459 Your visual data is hampered. 00:52:41.459 --> 00:52:44.549 It's, you know, it's so, it's filling in the blanks and it's creating like little 00:52:44.549 --> 00:52:46.079 mini hallucinations, whatever it may be. 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:46.379 Right. 00:52:46.629 --> 00:52:46.850 Colleen Coffman: Right. 00:52:47.278 --> 00:52:50.414 Jody: I'm not so sure they are hallucinations. 00:52:50.414 --> 00:52:53.804 I think that may be the phenomena uses that to talk 00:52:53.804 --> 00:52:55.094 to us, to communicate with us. 00:52:55.514 --> 00:52:56.384 What do you think, Gabrielle? 00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:57.359 Gab: yeah, I agree. 00:52:57.859 --> 00:52:59.749 Colleen Coffman: That's very, very possible. 00:52:59.899 --> 00:53:00.169 Jody: Yeah. 00:53:00.319 --> 00:53:03.259 Colleen Coffman: Uh, you know, the reason that we've always done nighttime 00:53:03.259 --> 00:53:07.489 investigations is because the IR doesn't work during the daytime. 00:53:08.111 --> 00:53:08.514 Jody: Right, right. 00:53:08.994 --> 00:53:10.164 It's all blown out and white. 00:53:10.164 --> 00:53:10.434 Yeah. 00:53:10.509 --> 00:53:12.309 Gab: And there's less interference at night. 00:53:12.309 --> 00:53:12.549 Right. 00:53:12.549 --> 00:53:15.159 People are quieter, people aren't as busy. 00:53:15.659 --> 00:53:16.199 Colleen Coffman: Yes, 00:53:16.699 --> 00:53:16.879 Gab: So 00:53:16.879 --> 00:53:18.984 I feel like that helps too with interference 00:53:19.594 --> 00:53:20.104 Colleen Coffman: yes. 00:53:20.224 --> 00:53:21.274 Jody: depending on where you go. 00:53:21.604 --> 00:53:21.814 Yeah. 00:53:22.314 --> 00:53:23.244 Colleen Coffman: That's true. 00:53:23.424 --> 00:53:24.204 That's a good point. 00:53:24.704 --> 00:53:28.154 Jody: We've done quite a few public investigations that are loud and noisy 00:53:28.154 --> 00:53:29.774 and no one's respecting, you know, 00:53:30.274 --> 00:53:31.504 Colleen Coffman: That's tough. 00:53:31.624 --> 00:53:33.369 How do you get through that? 00:53:33.574 --> 00:53:34.024 Jody: It's tough. 00:53:34.064 --> 00:53:34.694 It's not easy. 00:53:34.884 --> 00:53:38.574 Um, especially when you pay a premium price to get into a place 00:53:38.574 --> 00:53:41.334 for a night and you're stuck with a bunch of teenagers that, 00:53:41.834 --> 00:53:42.789 Colleen Coffman: I have no respect. 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:43.464 Gab: Yeah. 00:53:43.794 --> 00:53:46.672 Jody: Uh, you know, it's, it's tough, it's a public investigation, 00:53:46.672 --> 00:53:47.632 you know, what you're getting into. 00:53:47.632 --> 00:53:49.642 It's, it's a flip of a coin most of the time. 00:53:49.642 --> 00:53:50.032 It's good. 00:53:50.122 --> 00:53:52.312 Honestly, I can't even say 50 50. 00:53:52.312 --> 00:53:54.202 Most of the time it's, it people are respectful, 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:54.382 but 00:53:54.382 --> 00:53:54.767 Gab: Yeah. 00:53:55.017 --> 00:53:55.677 Colleen Coffman: Wow. 00:53:55.707 --> 00:53:56.097 Okay. 00:53:56.097 --> 00:53:56.667 Right on. 00:53:57.167 --> 00:53:57.617 Wow. 00:53:58.117 --> 00:53:58.177 Jody: Yeah. 00:53:59.782 --> 00:53:59.902 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:53:59.902 --> 00:54:02.392 That doesn't sound like my cup of tea at all. 00:54:02.892 --> 00:54:06.492 Jody: well, I mean, the downside of, uh, private investigation is the cost, right? 00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:07.052 Gab: Yeah. 00:54:07.292 --> 00:54:11.132 Colleen Coffman: So we have always been asked to come and do investigations. 00:54:11.552 --> 00:54:15.482 Um, the, uh, I don't know if you guys know what the wall is. 00:54:15.482 --> 00:54:21.492 It's the Missouri, Missouri, um, Missouri State Penitentiary is what they called it. 00:54:21.792 --> 00:54:26.412 Uh, it has since closed, it's closed since like 2004, but now they're 00:54:26.412 --> 00:54:29.937 doing, if you want to pay a hundred bucks a person per night, you can 00:54:29.937 --> 00:54:31.827 go and investigate that place too. 00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:34.130 Incredibly haunted. 00:54:34.130 --> 00:54:38.630 I was the very first person to go and do an investigation at that place. 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.610 Uh, I was kind of their test case. 00:54:41.110 --> 00:54:43.540 So I didn't, didn't have to pay to be there. 00:54:43.540 --> 00:54:50.590 We came up with all kinds of great stuff, EVPs and, uh, orbs. 00:54:50.590 --> 00:54:51.550 Oh my gosh. 00:54:51.580 --> 00:54:53.830 The orbs we saw were insane. 00:54:54.160 --> 00:54:58.330 Lights coming on and off, prison doors closing and opening. 00:54:58.540 --> 00:55:03.430 It was just a very worthwhile endeavor, but I don't think it would be anymore 00:55:03.930 --> 00:55:08.580 just because they are, once again, they are charging a lot of money for people 00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:13.920 to go and investigate that place, and that does have a bearing on what's 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.660 really going on with the energy there. 00:55:16.100 --> 00:55:16.560 Gab: oh yeah. 00:55:16.560 --> 00:55:17.350 Absolutely it does. 00:55:17.715 --> 00:55:17.985 Jody: Yeah. 00:55:17.985 --> 00:55:21.855 We, we've heard that the more, the more that people go and go and go, it kinda 00:55:21.855 --> 00:55:23.765 like almost ruins it a little bit. 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:24.210 Yeah, 00:55:24.710 --> 00:55:27.865 Colleen Coffman: it's like caging a ghost and putting them on display. 00:55:27.865 --> 00:55:29.365 It's not very nice. 00:55:29.381 --> 00:55:29.815 Gab: Right. 00:55:30.260 --> 00:55:30.590 Yeah. 00:55:30.980 --> 00:55:34.936 It's almost like a, like a circus where you know, You're charging 00:55:34.936 --> 00:55:36.076 people to come and view them. 00:55:36.151 --> 00:55:37.741 Jody: I said it before a paranormal zoo. 00:55:38.581 --> 00:55:38.851 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:55:39.150 --> 00:55:40.080 Absolutely. 00:55:40.580 --> 00:55:42.830 So we did that one, and that was a fun one. 00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:46.790 We got lots of orbs and got some EVPs and blah, blah, blah. 00:55:46.820 --> 00:55:50.892 But typically we have, like, we've had the police and the sheriff 00:55:50.922 --> 00:55:53.292 call us down in, um, Butler. 00:55:53.802 --> 00:55:56.322 Butler and, uh, Bates County, Missouri. 00:55:56.636 --> 00:56:00.566 Uh, they've called us a few times to come in and help them out with situations. 00:56:00.776 --> 00:56:04.196 That was a very haunted area, and it has to do with the Civil War. 00:56:04.510 --> 00:56:08.260 And after the Civil War, uh, really, uh, there was a, what 00:56:08.260 --> 00:56:09.700 they called order number 11. 00:56:09.700 --> 00:56:11.500 Are you guys familiar with that at all? 00:56:11.555 --> 00:56:11.775 Gab: No. 00:56:11.825 --> 00:56:12.315 Jody: I don't think I am. 00:56:12.315 --> 00:56:12.545 No. 00:56:13.035 --> 00:56:16.725 Colleen Coffman: So order number 11 was something that Lincoln put 00:56:16.725 --> 00:56:22.215 into effect, uh, just like at the very tail end of the Civil War. 00:56:22.715 --> 00:56:27.312 It had to do with the fact that Kansas and Missouri, we had the Jay 00:56:27.312 --> 00:56:29.262 Hawkers and we had the Bush Whackers. 00:56:29.262 --> 00:56:31.422 So we had the Jay Hawkers on the Kansas side. 00:56:31.632 --> 00:56:35.551 We had the bush whackers on the, uh, Missouri side, and then the Mason Dixon 00:56:35.551 --> 00:56:37.621 line ran right through the middle of that. 00:56:37.621 --> 00:56:42.241 So you had the north and the south, so you had all these family members who 00:56:42.241 --> 00:56:46.741 were at each other's throats, and it was a very, it was a very horrible time 00:56:46.741 --> 00:56:48.511 for the state of Missouri and Kansas. 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:55.277 But he came in with order number 11, and he said, anybody who is a southern 00:56:55.277 --> 00:56:57.647 sympathizer has to leave the area. 00:56:57.707 --> 00:57:00.031 Don't care how ingrained you are. 00:57:00.031 --> 00:57:02.731 Don't care what fields or homes or anything. 00:57:02.731 --> 00:57:04.621 You guys have got three hours to get out of 00:57:04.621 --> 00:57:04.981 here. 00:57:05.041 --> 00:57:05.536 Jody: wow. 00:57:06.036 --> 00:57:10.446 Colleen Coffman: If you are a northern sympathizer, then you must do the same 00:57:10.446 --> 00:57:12.936 thing, but you can go to the closest fort. 00:57:13.436 --> 00:57:17.186 They burned homes and farmland. 00:57:17.426 --> 00:57:20.876 They just decimated everything in that area. 00:57:20.936 --> 00:57:22.316 It was horrible. 00:57:22.816 --> 00:57:26.176 A lot of people don't realize that, that that happened. 00:57:26.371 --> 00:57:26.921 Gab: Yeah, 00:57:27.248 --> 00:57:28.928 Colleen Coffman: The ghosts remember, 00:57:29.245 --> 00:57:29.678 Gab: Right. 00:57:30.178 --> 00:57:33.058 Colleen Coffman: would have a lot of hauntings down that direction. 00:57:33.238 --> 00:57:38.164 We had one night we had, uh, the sheriff call us down there and he 00:57:38.164 --> 00:57:42.044 wanted us to come and help this little family who showed up at the police 00:57:42.054 --> 00:57:43.564 station in the middle of the night. 00:57:44.064 --> 00:57:47.724 So we, they had already started moving out of their house and by the 00:57:47.724 --> 00:57:51.084 time we got there, they had cleared everything out of this trailer. 00:57:51.444 --> 00:57:54.684 Um, and we didn't find darn thing while we were there. 00:57:54.968 --> 00:57:58.928 We heard a few shuffles here and there and, and maybe something in the 00:57:58.928 --> 00:58:02.168 kitchen when we were in the living room, but we really didn't pick up a 00:58:02.168 --> 00:58:04.358 whole lot while we were on location. 00:58:04.523 --> 00:58:08.933 When we got away from that place and started reviewing our audio and video, 00:58:09.192 --> 00:58:09.612 Jody: Yeah. 00:58:09.992 --> 00:58:11.432 Colleen Coffman: Oh my God, 00:58:11.912 --> 00:58:12.422 Jody: Yep. 00:58:12.422 --> 00:58:15.302 Colleen Coffman: some of the best EVPs I've ever heard in my life. 00:58:15.505 --> 00:58:16.135 It was insane. 00:58:16.842 --> 00:58:17.952 Jody: It's very familiar. 00:58:18.847 --> 00:58:19.067 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 00:58:19.567 --> 00:58:20.282 Gab: I love when that happens. 00:58:20.996 --> 00:58:22.946 Jody: I mean, the other side of it too is I love when we do the short 00:58:22.946 --> 00:58:25.791 recordings that are like only a couple minutes long, then we listen on site. 00:58:26.313 --> 00:58:28.157 Because if you get an EVP there, then you're excited the 00:58:28.157 --> 00:58:29.357 whole time and it's almost like 00:58:29.614 --> 00:58:29.884 Colleen Coffman: Yeah. 00:58:29.974 --> 00:58:31.384 Jody: your energy is building, 00:58:31.624 --> 00:58:31.804 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:32.084 --> 00:58:32.244 Jody: something. 00:58:32.244 --> 00:58:32.674 You know what I mean? 00:58:32.674 --> 00:58:35.484 It continues to snowball and, and, but yeah. 00:58:35.484 --> 00:58:36.054 No, I get it. 00:58:36.054 --> 00:58:38.664 I, I love those nights when it doesn't seem like there's a lot going on, 00:58:38.664 --> 00:58:40.349 and then you're listening to the recording and you're like, what? 00:58:40.764 --> 00:58:41.384 What was that? 00:58:41.394 --> 00:58:42.064 Was that a voice? 00:58:42.064 --> 00:58:42.104 Colleen Coffman: Yep 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:44.053 Jody: Oh yeah. 00:58:44.178 --> 00:58:44.408 Colleen Coffman: Have done that. 00:58:44.408 --> 00:58:48.988 And um, that was the only time that we've ever had to that degree. 00:58:48.988 --> 00:58:54.418 I mean, we probably got two dozen incredible EVPs out of just like 00:58:54.418 --> 00:58:56.518 three hours worth of an investigation. 00:58:56.888 --> 00:58:57.248 Jody: That's a lot. 00:58:57.303 --> 00:58:57.513 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:57.513 --> 00:58:58.253 that is wow. 00:58:58.458 --> 00:58:58.678 Jody: Wow. 00:58:58.928 --> 00:58:59.948 Colleen Coffman: We couldn't believe it. 00:59:00.448 --> 00:59:00.668 Jody: Wow. 00:59:00.808 --> 00:59:03.963 Any full sentences or is it just like fragmented words and phrases? 00:59:04.463 --> 00:59:05.393 Colleen Coffman: No, no, no. 00:59:05.393 --> 00:59:07.583 It was absolutely full sentences. 00:59:07.823 --> 00:59:12.113 Uh, there was one that was a very straight up get out. 00:59:12.157 --> 00:59:12.767 Jody: Always. 00:59:12.891 --> 00:59:13.259 Colleen Coffman: Right. 00:59:13.259 --> 00:59:15.029 Always get out my place. 00:59:15.029 --> 00:59:15.839 Leave it alone. 00:59:16.349 --> 00:59:21.234 we also had another one that was, I just don't know how to describe it. 00:59:21.734 --> 00:59:28.064 It sounded like somebody talking in slow motion 00:59:28.154 --> 00:59:29.224 Gab: Oh that's interesting. 00:59:29.274 --> 00:59:31.284 Colleen Coffman: And at a lower pitch. 00:59:31.874 --> 00:59:36.134 So when I got that, I stuck it into Audacity and it was like, 00:59:36.164 --> 00:59:39.224 okay, let's speed this up and raise the pitch a little bit. 00:59:39.444 --> 00:59:40.414 Jody: Love Audacity. 00:59:40.514 --> 00:59:40.874 Yeah. 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:41.329 Yeah. 00:59:41.594 --> 00:59:41.654 Colleen Coffman: yeah. 00:59:42.164 --> 00:59:44.054 Oh, audacity is great for that kind of thing. 00:59:44.114 --> 00:59:44.714 And so, 00:59:44.784 --> 00:59:44.874 Jody: And it's free. 00:59:44.874 --> 00:59:45.364 You can't beat it. 00:59:45.374 --> 00:59:45.714 So. 00:59:46.004 --> 00:59:46.514 Colleen Coffman: Yes. 00:59:46.514 --> 00:59:47.444 And it's free. 00:59:47.444 --> 00:59:48.164 You're right. 00:59:48.664 --> 00:59:53.584 So I put it into Audacity and I sped it up and I raised the pitch and it 00:59:53.584 --> 00:59:58.474 sounded like they were, uh, the first sentence sounded like they were mocking 00:59:58.474 --> 01:00:03.844 us, and then the second sentence sounded like they were answering us. 01:00:04.184 --> 01:00:06.014 Lemme see if I can remember what they said. 01:00:06.514 --> 01:00:10.354 Something about, you know, yes, we're here, and then the second, 01:00:10.594 --> 01:00:17.042 the second one was, what was it dead tonight and it was so insane. 01:00:17.072 --> 01:00:20.012 I'll tell you what, the first time we heard it while we were listening to the 01:00:20.012 --> 01:00:23.222 audio, Ooh, the goose bumps went up. 01:00:23.522 --> 01:00:23.742 Jody: Yep. 01:00:24.242 --> 01:00:25.042 Gab: I love that feeling. 01:00:25.565 --> 01:00:28.227 Jody: That's, it's, it's excitement to me it's excitement. 01:00:28.227 --> 01:00:28.467 I'm, 01:00:28.767 --> 01:00:31.327 Never, I'm never fearful of it, you know what I mean? 01:00:31.827 --> 01:00:34.566 Colleen Coffman: Oh, it was creepy, but it wasn't fearful of it. 01:00:34.763 --> 01:00:36.702 Jody: it's creepy 'cause it's not supposed to be happening. 01:00:36.702 --> 01:00:37.272 You know what I mean? 01:00:37.362 --> 01:00:39.552 Like your brain's not wired to Yeah. 01:00:39.642 --> 01:00:39.972 Yeah. 01:00:40.552 --> 01:00:45.492 Colleen Coffman: Very intense . But yeah, that's, that was fun. 01:00:45.992 --> 01:00:46.967 Gab: That sounds fun. 01:00:46.967 --> 01:00:49.262 Colleen Coffman: So Jody, something for you if you're the 01:00:49.262 --> 01:00:51.322 guy doing the audio edits on this. 01:00:51.402 --> 01:00:51.777 Jody: Yeah. 01:00:52.012 --> 01:00:54.662 Colleen Coffman: Uh, there have been a couple of my shows in the last 01:00:54.662 --> 01:00:57.152 couple of months who have had EVPs. 01:00:57.572 --> 01:00:57.912 Jody: Oh yeah? 01:00:57.912 --> 01:00:58.282 That's interesting. 01:00:58.532 --> 01:00:59.882 Colleen Coffman: So, yeah, if you do, lemme know. 01:01:00.382 --> 01:01:03.522 Oh, it was, it surprised all of us, but it was kind of fun. 01:01:03.522 --> 01:01:04.362 So, heads up. 01:01:04.812 --> 01:01:09.732 Jody: I've, I've noticed I've had that before on phone calls, phone call, audio. 01:01:10.232 --> 01:01:10.452 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 01:01:10.952 --> 01:01:13.127 Jody: Um, yeah, that's interesting. 01:01:13.627 --> 01:01:15.612 So I don't know if that has to do with, um, 01:01:16.112 --> 01:01:18.552 Colleen Coffman: I have no clue, but it made me giggle. 01:01:19.452 --> 01:01:22.692 Gab: makes me think of when me and my friend were, I think 01:01:22.692 --> 01:01:24.132 we were in high school, right? 01:01:24.132 --> 01:01:27.432 We were on the phone one day and we're talking to each other, and all 01:01:27.432 --> 01:01:31.742 of a sudden we hear this guy on the phone and we're like, what is that? 01:01:31.742 --> 01:01:34.772 So we start talking to him and he starts talking to us, and then all 01:01:34.772 --> 01:01:36.182 of a sudden his friend is there too. 01:01:36.632 --> 01:01:39.752 So like the phone lines crossed with each other. 01:01:40.252 --> 01:01:43.432 So we're, we're talking to them for like 45 minutes, and then we 01:01:43.432 --> 01:01:46.372 call the phone company together and we're like, Hey, here's the thing. 01:01:46.792 --> 01:01:48.982 Like we think there's something going on with our phone line. 01:01:48.982 --> 01:01:50.362 And they're like, well, what's going on? 01:01:50.362 --> 01:01:51.412 And they're like, everyone. 01:01:51.562 --> 01:01:52.852 And then we are all like, hello. 01:01:56.137 --> 01:01:56.427 Yeah. 01:01:56.883 --> 01:01:57.103 Colleen Coffman: Oh. 01:01:57.208 --> 01:01:58.344 that's hilarious. 01:01:58.888 --> 01:02:00.801 I think that party lines are a thing of the 01:02:00.801 --> 01:02:01.761 past now. 01:02:01.832 --> 01:02:04.851 Gab: And it was before like when you could have like a three-way call. 01:02:04.851 --> 01:02:07.161 Like there was no way we could have done that. 01:02:07.161 --> 01:02:08.571 They just all of a sudden got in 01:02:08.571 --> 01:02:08.901 there. 01:02:08.931 --> 01:02:09.891 Jody: That's at the poll though. 01:02:09.891 --> 01:02:12.291 That would be, because that was all analog back then. 01:02:12.501 --> 01:02:12.651 Gab: Yeah. 01:02:12.651 --> 01:02:13.761 It was so weird. 01:02:13.831 --> 01:02:16.011 Jody: Someone was working on the lines and crossed something. 01:02:16.011 --> 01:02:16.261 Gab: Yeah. 01:02:16.261 --> 01:02:17.251 It was so weird. 01:02:17.261 --> 01:02:17.291 Colleen Coffman: Yep. 01:02:17.781 --> 01:02:19.436 That's wild. 01:02:20.712 --> 01:02:21.282 Gab: yeah. 01:02:22.511 --> 01:02:26.201 So before we go, I'm dying to know who the figure from the horror 01:02:26.201 --> 01:02:27.743 movie was that you were seeing. 01:02:28.115 --> 01:02:29.125 Colleen Coffman: Oh, okay. 01:02:29.125 --> 01:02:29.925 That was The Nun. 01:02:30.485 --> 01:02:30.860 Jody: She knew it. 01:02:30.860 --> 01:02:31.350 Gab: I knew it was the The Nun. 01:02:31.700 --> 01:02:34.330 Colleen Coffman: Yeah, if you know anything about horror movies now 01:02:34.540 --> 01:02:36.280 a days, you could totally read me. 01:02:36.385 --> 01:02:36.745 Gab: Yes. 01:02:36.745 --> 01:02:37.825 I was like, it's The Nun. 01:02:37.825 --> 01:02:39.865 I was saying to him, I was like, she saw the nun. 01:02:40.045 --> 01:02:41.845 Jody: throwing me signs across the table here. 01:02:41.845 --> 01:02:43.715 She's throwing, she's throwing the, the N. 01:02:43.765 --> 01:02:45.625 Gab: I'm like, spelling none with my fingers. 01:02:45.895 --> 01:02:46.735 I'm like, N-U-N. 01:02:47.035 --> 01:02:47.575 It's The Nun. 01:02:48.065 --> 01:02:49.305 Colleen Coffman: You nailed it sister. 01:02:49.515 --> 01:02:52.530 You absolutely get, oh, she was horrible. 01:02:52.710 --> 01:02:55.740 She wanted me to draw her and I absolutely refused. 01:02:55.740 --> 01:02:57.780 I told her to go get, you know. 01:02:58.095 --> 01:02:58.575 Gab: Yeah. 01:02:58.825 --> 01:03:00.765 Jody: She could have been a thoughtform, you you know what 01:03:00.765 --> 01:03:01.125 I mean? 01:03:01.215 --> 01:03:02.175 Like she could be 01:03:02.271 --> 01:03:02.623 Gab: Yeah. 01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:05.835 Colleen Coffman: She was potent for being a thoughtform, I'll tell you that. 01:03:06.335 --> 01:03:09.305 Gab: We went, uh, maybe two years ago now. 01:03:09.545 --> 01:03:15.325 We went to a, like horror movie convention, me and Jodi, and we were 01:03:15.325 --> 01:03:18.865 walking around for the day and they have like local scare actors that will come 01:03:18.865 --> 01:03:20.561 and they'll scare you throughout the day. 01:03:21.123 --> 01:03:25.465 So I'm getting like, hit with like four or five people like every couple 01:03:25.465 --> 01:03:28.645 minutes and I'm like, these people are like really on their game today. 01:03:28.852 --> 01:03:32.447 And I'm the kind of person I can't go do like a haunted hayride to a 01:03:32.447 --> 01:03:34.367 haunted house attraction because. 01:03:34.722 --> 01:03:38.772 I can't understand that that person's in costume, like I just can't. 01:03:39.012 --> 01:03:41.157 So I get terrified at these things. 01:03:41.861 --> 01:03:45.402 So these people keep coming up and scaring me and I have 01:03:45.402 --> 01:03:47.241 to like maintain my composure. 01:03:47.571 --> 01:03:53.001 So the nun at one point is like this, seven foot's a man dressed as the nun, 01:03:53.361 --> 01:03:57.351 and he's so tall and he's in my face and I'm like, I don't know what to do. 01:03:57.351 --> 01:03:59.091 I'm so uncomfortable. 01:03:59.301 --> 01:04:02.541 So then at the end of the day, Jodi tell me, he was telling people 01:04:02.541 --> 01:04:04.731 to come and bother me all day. 01:04:09.536 --> 01:04:10.396 Colleen Coffman: That's not nice. 01:04:10.896 --> 01:04:11.586 Jody: I am the best. 01:04:12.086 --> 01:04:14.396 Gab: I'm like, why are they like all over me? 01:04:14.916 --> 01:04:15.136 Jody: Do 01:04:15.246 --> 01:04:16.116 Gab: know I'm afraid of them? 01:04:17.246 --> 01:04:17.696 Jody: They did? 01:04:18.140 --> 01:04:21.955 Colleen Coffman: Gabrielle, I am totally done that to people so many times. 01:04:23.379 --> 01:04:24.399 That's not nice. 01:04:24.963 --> 01:04:25.809 Gab: Oh am oh, hi. 01:04:25.809 --> 01:04:27.409 Because they were like right in my face. 01:04:28.149 --> 01:04:28.369 Hi, 01:04:28.659 --> 01:04:29.970 Colleen Coffman: that's hilarious 01:04:29.980 --> 01:04:33.454 Jody: Colleen, before we tie this up, is there anything else you want to add? 01:04:33.884 --> 01:04:36.524 Colleen Coffman: you know, I think I'm gonna tell you guys the same thing I 01:04:36.524 --> 01:04:40.854 said to the last guys, and that was, we are living in such a crazy time right 01:04:40.854 --> 01:04:46.294 now, and personally, I believe that we are in the middle of an evolution and no 01:04:46.294 --> 01:04:48.784 growth goes without some type of pain. 01:04:49.069 --> 01:04:50.929 Jody: It's a paradigm shift, I think, 01:04:51.229 --> 01:04:53.749 Colleen Coffman: it is, I feel like it is, uh, my guides have 01:04:53.749 --> 01:04:57.729 told me that we're evolving and it's not just us, it's our planet. 01:04:57.981 --> 01:04:58.202 Jody: Mm-hmm. 01:04:59.022 --> 01:05:01.722 Colleen Coffman: And I buy that, I think that that fits pretty well. 01:05:01.932 --> 01:05:06.732 So my note to everybody is don't feed the beast. 01:05:07.002 --> 01:05:08.292 Don't be fearful. 01:05:08.412 --> 01:05:10.032 Don't spend your time and worry. 01:05:10.212 --> 01:05:11.862 Don't be jealous and angry. 01:05:12.132 --> 01:05:15.042 Just love deeply, you know. 01:05:15.192 --> 01:05:18.042 Find the beauty in everything. 01:05:18.542 --> 01:05:20.995 It's gonna help you and everybody else in the long run. 01:05:21.495 --> 01:05:23.280 Jody: Is there any books or websites you want us to plug? 01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:24.620 Colleen Coffman: Yes, please. 01:05:24.620 --> 01:05:28.550 Okay, so if you wanna go check out some of my, uh, film and, and 01:05:28.550 --> 01:05:31.280 theater and special effect work, you can go to ColleenCoffman.com. 01:05:32.890 --> 01:05:36.490 If you'd like to go check out my paranormal stuff, you 01:05:36.490 --> 01:05:38.610 can go to TheRabbitHole.club. 01:05:40.650 --> 01:05:44.310 If you'd like to check out my book, you can find it on either one of those 01:05:44.310 --> 01:05:48.810 sites or Amazon or any place else that you can find Books for sale. 01:05:48.870 --> 01:05:52.560 Or you can go straight to my publisher's site, which is, hanger 01:05:52.700 --> 01:05:55.440 1, the number 1 publishing.com. 01:05:55.927 --> 01:05:57.127 Thank you so much. 01:05:57.337 --> 01:05:58.597 What a great interview, guys. 01:05:58.597 --> 01:05:59.137 Thank you. 01:05:59.321 --> 01:05:59.437 Gab: It was-a-lot of fun. 01:05:59.637 --> 01:06:01.567 Jody: Thanks for having a conversation with us, honestly. 01:06:02.017 --> 01:06:02.442 Gab: Yeah, you thank. 01:06:02.797 --> 01:06:03.637 Jody: Quite a mixed bag. 01:06:03.637 --> 01:06:07.171 You have, uh, plenty of years of interesting experiences that, uh, you 01:06:07.171 --> 01:06:08.491 know that we're able to bring the podcast. 01:06:08.804 --> 01:06:09.584 Colleen Coffman: Love it. 01:06:09.674 --> 01:06:10.544 Thank you for that. 01:06:10.854 --> 01:06:12.584 Jody: Colleen, it was so nice talking to you. 01:06:12.654 --> 01:06:14.004 Gab: Yeah, it was fantastic. 01:06:14.023 --> 01:06:15.503 Colleen Coffman: thank you guys so much. 01:06:15.673 --> 01:06:17.333 Have an incredible day, guys. 01:06:17.388 --> 01:06:17.558 Jody: You too. 01:06:17.558 --> 01:06:17.768 Thank you! 01:06:17.818 --> 01:06:18.158 Gab: You too. 01:06:18.248 --> 01:06:18.718 Thank you! 01:06:19.403 --> 01:06:19.973 Colleen Coffman: You bet. 01:06:19.973 --> 01:06:20.693 Thank you! 01:06:27.765 --> 01:06:29.265 Jody: Please visit us at podcastoftheparanormal.com. 01:06:31.191 --> 01:06:35.568 Gab: You can find links to our social media as well as our contact 01:06:35.568 --> 01:06:39.798 form, if you're interested in being a guest or just wanting to give us 01:06:39.798 --> 01:06:43.728 some feedback you can listen wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. 01:06:44.055 --> 01:06:45.534 Jody: You can listen right on the website if you want. 01:06:45.741 --> 01:06:49.021 Please go ahead and leave us a like, stars, review. 01:06:49.521 --> 01:06:50.751 It's how we get our show out there. 01:06:51.291 --> 01:06:55.031 it helps us reach more of an audience brings more people to the show. 01:06:55.531 --> 01:06:56.891 Gab: And thank you for listening, everyone. 01:06:56.991 --> 01:06:57.621 Jody: See you next time.